2009
08.18

Like a red rag to a bull, claiming a Microsoft OS release is not going to be an abject failure on Slashdot is just asking for trouble.  I am currently reading the following thread and it just seems to consist pretty much entirely of uninformed* sniping.  In fact I am half way down and nobody has yet said anything good about Windows 7.

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/08/17/2151224/XP-Users-Are-Willing-To-Give-Windows-7-a-Chance

It’s ironic (like rain on your wedding day) that the Linux community, who cry MS FUD on average one out of five freetard rants are the ones that ladle it out like it’s candy.  They just plain make up shit and repeat fully debunked mistruths simply to make themselves feel tingly about Microsoft’s failure and imminent demise.  Look at some of the gems that people are saying:

“Poor DOS support for games”
- Do I even need to justify this with an answer?

“but requiring hardware produced in 2010s.” and “1GHz/512ram/pata hdd i have 22 seconds from ntldr to busy cursor gone. windows 7 doesn’t even install on that”
- Windows 7 would install and run fine on that.  This guy clearly mislabelled his ‘Windows Vista’ talking points, either that or he knows nothing.

“Windows 7 is a Service Pack to Windows Vista” and “I heard even 1G of RAM is not enough”
- Looks like he got his facts from Mr Vista Talking Points.  And tada!  they are now facts, repeat as necessary.

“I tried the RTM on Friday. No Remote Server Administration Tools. Google turns up a blog on technet with a dead link to RSAT beta. There were sundry other disappointments and annoyances, but lack of RSAT was the deal-breaker: less than an hour after it began, my Windows 7 experience ended.”
- First link on Google didn’t find my downloads!  Windows 7 Sucks! Google yourself “windows 7 rsat”.  I know how incredibly hard it is to scroll down to click the 3rd link rather than the first.

This sort of thing continues ad-nauseum.  The freetards look for something (anything) to bash Windows 7 with and then make outlandish claims about how crap it’s going to be, how nobody will use it.

Not that any of this is vaguely relevant to my point.  My point is this – to quote Sun Tzu:

If you know the enemy
and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a
hundred battles.  If you know yourself but not the enemy,
for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat.
If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will
succumb in every battle.

They don’t know their enemy.  They don’t even know themselves.  They just like talking shit as it makes them look knowledgeable, but give it a year and Linux usage will be even lower than it is now.  Truth, reality and facts are discarded if they do not present the reality they want to believe.  Facts are found and created to enforce the conclusions they want to come to.  The truth is pretty much irrelevant to the whole debate.  They had all decided Windows 7 sucked when they first heard about it.  Now they are just looking for proof.

Ubuntu ‘Moronic Mongoose’ will then be released a few years from now, featuing the same crappy cruft, problems, and cargo cult usability ripped from Windows 7 and OSX, it’ll be hailed as near perfect, revolutionary and anyone that doesn’t use it will be called a moron and an idiot, Microsoft’s doom will be foretold once again and then this whole idiotic cycle will restart.

And all of the camaraderie and tales of imminent success will continue against the backdrop of sliding support from users, manufacturers and developers (which obviously will be attributed to FUD) who have had enough of the lies and propaganda.

Could the last freetard please turn out the light?  Thanks.

* On the internet, everyone is a sysadmin and a kung-fu expert.  Fact.

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  1. They would be funny if they weren’t serious. So sad to see so much mental illness out there.

  2. Great post! It seems with the looming WIndows 7 OS, it’s certainly giving a few people shudders.
    Maybe that 1% market share might erode?

    :)

  3. True!

    I have said exactly the same thing on some german freetard forum, here:

    http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-An-den-ersten-Antworten-sieht-man-schon-dass-Linux-wohl-nie-gewinnen-wird/forum-130946/msg-14300028/read/

    The Sun Tzu (Sun-Zi) citation can be spotted even without knowing German.

    by the way, this is some of the ridiculous answers I got: (Google translation)

    http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fforen%2FS-Re-An-den-ersten-Antworten-sieht-man-schon-dass-Linux-wohl-nie-gewinnen-wird%2Fforum-130946%2Fmsg-14300155%2Fread%2F&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    That site has the worst freetards one can imagine. It’s a mix of freetardery, hate for everything commercial (and more ideological at that than the editorial staff of “Pravda” in the 1950s) and total paranoia. And all of that on an “advanced” stage. It is, what Slashdot will be. Too bad it’s in German, so that the rest of the world cannot witness their awe inspiring freetardation.

  4. Wow, Sun Tzu and an Alanis Morrisette referrence, awesome!

    It’s quite tired, and amusing. “poor dos support”, you just know that if they’d included it, we’d hear the “bloated backward compatibility crap no one wants or needs” argument.

    “7 is a SP to Vista” – aka an incremental upgrade, but hey, Vista was teh evil, because they rewrote the driver model and reworked the audio subsystem (making ASIO obsolete, for fuck’s sake! woot woot). As with the previous “point”, it’s one of two stock answers, used depending on what MS does – MS is always wrong.

    “stupid hardware reqs” – the minim reqs for 7 are like half what they were for Vista – Oh Noes, you need a PCI-E soundcard to take advantage of MMCSS and WaveRT – EVUHL! Even beyond that, 1 gig of ram is barely enough for any serious work (I do media work on an XP machine with 1gb – it works, but I’d be much happier with 2-3gb) New Ram is dirt cheap, anyway.

    “RSAT isn’t there by default” – But if it was, it would be useless bloat nobody wants nor needs.

    “Not the first link on Google” – It’s MS’ fault, but when you don’t haul ass to sift through LKML archives or various mailing lists for hours looking for stuff to make Linux work, it’s YOUR fault for not wanting it bad enough.

    Everything MS does is wrong. It doesn’t matter what. There’s an arsenal stock talking points which can and are adapted to any and everything that MS can do, some have even been in use since win9x.

    It’d be amusing if they weren’t so serious.

  5. I’m really looking forward to Win7. I tried it out through Virtual Box, unfortunately I didn’t get the time to make a full partition for it. I think that Windows 7 is going to gain back a lot of the people’s support for Microsoft.

  6. Kerberos, too, I commend your writing, but the constant finger pointing and being called a freetard is getting old. Not all Linux users are “Windoze hating n00bs.” As you know, Kerberos, I might be biased towards Linux loving, but I do give other operating systems some good treatment. It might not be equal, but at least I’m not running around calling every Windows user an idiot.

  7. Thomas: A freetard is someone that believes all software should be free and/or that FOSS is inherently superior simply though it’s open source nature. If you don’t fit these criteria then this really wasn’t aimed at you.

    I am afraid I have to start branding the whole ‘community’ (mainly the tech and forum board lurkers) as idiots though since even though the vocal minority are the worst freetards, the silent majority does nothing and says nothing about their behaviour.

    If you went on a forum such as slashdot, ubuntuforums, or anywhere like that and tried to make an argument against the party line you’d be called a troll/shill in seconds irrespective of your point. Give it a try.

    Oh, and any more progress on the challenge?
    http://piestar.net/2009/08/11/this-is-why-linux-sucks-a-challenge

  8. Don’t forget being called a paid MS shill on the count of praising Solaris or FreeBSD, that’s my favourite.

  9. Turns out that Microsoft actually owns (as in property) FreeBSD. They should rename it ClosedBSD.

  10. There already is a ClosedBSD, or was, at any rate.

  11. Kerberos, I will probably fail that challenge, so I’m not attempting it.

  12. Thomas, that’s the point of the challenge; nobody is expected to beat it.

  13. There’s no such thing as a fair comparison between Windows and Linux from the FOSS crowd. No fact shall remain untwisted, no semantic loophole left unused.

    When it comes to features; Windows only has a browser, media player and simple utilities. Linux has Office suites, mail servers, web servers, IDEs and DVDs worth of applications.

    However, when it’s bug count, Windows suddenly also includes Office, Exchange, Visual Studio, two instances of SQL Server, IIS and Photoshop. Linux is just a kernel.

    Add a feature to Linux? Best feature ever, can’t live without it.
    Add a feature to Windows? Bloat! Copied from Apple! Anti-trust!

    Any feature not in Windows? Why isn’t this feature in?
    Any feature not in Linux? You didn’t need it anyway!

    Windows Aero? Resource hungry, useless eye-candy.
    Compiz? Absolute must-have! Spinning cubes!

    (For those that say Compiz/Ruby was first or is better, Google “Vista wobbly windows WinHec 2003″. Note how the windows don’t tear when moved, unlike Compiz!)

    Benchmarks from established and trusted sources, with reproducible methodology that show Windows is better – shills, FUD, lies, MS paid for results, corrupt.
    Benchmark from random blog with questionable (if any) methodology showing Linux is better – holy gospel truth.

    Windows bluescreens several times a day.
    Kernel panics do not exist.

    Any Windows-only program = unoriginal, buggy, useless rubbish.
    Linux programs – Original, innovative, not in fact, clones of successful Windows apps.

    Copying interface changes from Windows apps into the OSS clones is OK, even though they’re much maligned in the Windows version… I’m looking at you, OpenOffice. If they’re so crap, why clone them?

    It’s OK to infringe copyrights of music and films, but don’t dare violate the GPL. It’s copyright, you know.

    The double standards exhibited are staggering.