2009
08.26

And they are at it again!

Looks like the FSF are at it again.

http://windows7sins.org/

Guys, here’s a hint:

Spend your time making your products not suck rather than slander the competition.  Nobody is going to use your crap OS if there is something better out there, even if it – shock horror! – costs money.

Also, apparently they sent letters (if it works for the EU) to the Fortune 500 companies telling them of the ethics of using closed source software.  Once they are done killing sealife, animals and children with oil slicks, forced labour and chemical pollution I am positive that they will join the cause against the immoral Microsoft.

Either make software that doesn’t suck, isn’t at best a shoddy carbon copy of the competition and make something decent, or shut up and go do something more productive instead.

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  1. Slander and lawsuits seem to be valid business models to people of this mindset. Rambus inc sued SDRAM vendors in an attempt to drive PC133 prices up to meet the astronomical RDRAM prices and thus win the market. And lets not forget dear little SCO.

    Can’t compete in a free market? Sue and slander your competition to win the hearts and wallets of the consumer. Worked for the above 2 companies, dinnit? ….oh yeah, right.

    If linux was any damn good at all, had decent apps and didn’t run a very good chance of catastrophic meltdown every 6 month dist-upgrade that makes a BSOD a minor inconvenience by comparison (should you even see one once every 6 months), then normal people would use it. Those people right now are buying macs if they want to leave windows, and for good reason: apps, ease, (perceived) reliability.

  2. I really appreciate this blog – I’m so sick of the propaganda and cheerleading being published by the OSS community at the moment. Shame that LH seems to have died.

  3. It’s really strange when I hear freetards talking about Windows BSODing every day, even more times in the same day. The last time I experienced a BSOD was in late 2006, I was moving my laptop around in the warehouse of a clutch factory testing out on of our company’s products (and the wireless connections, considering all the metal there were a lot of problems with connectivity). It BSODed recompiling the program on-the-fly (all changes were saved anyway, not like with ext4), while trying to reconnect to the WPA-PSK connection, while putting the laptop down with less care than I usually use. It said something about the hard drive, so I think I did something wrong while putting it down, but considering the place where I used this laptop it’s no wonder it still works today, after everything I did with it and to it (I wasn’t really delicate with this). Yes, that was the last time I ever saw a BSOD in my life. But really, all the BSODs you can get in Windows are mostly caused by hardware faults (like old hard drives overuser and failing, or defective ram) or bad/buggy/beta drivers (especially on XP, buggy drivers were a big problem, now in Vista/7 seems like they used a better sandboxing and I never had any problems, even on 7 RC with old, buggy drivers from the XP era).

    Oh, and for privacy concerns, I can’t see how WIndows can use data from my own PC, as no one ever proved this to be true. Even people that tried to prove that WGA read contents from the HDD (apart from the activation key) have failed, and now you can pretty much opt-out of any “improving” system implemented with a simple click on a checkbox (as of now the standard options for those possible privacy breaches is off by default in Windows and any other Microsoft app).

    But there’s one thing about this whole FUD campaign I can’t understand. FSF can manage to pay a fixed salary of $53k to those FUD Managers…erm, Campaign Managers, but they can’t affort to pay $25-$100 to send letters to those Fortune 500 companies? Why?

  4. Debunked all 7 sins here:

    http://linsux.org/index.php?topic=2026.0

  5. Oh, and:

    “Spend your time making your products not suck rather than slander the competition”

    You don’t get it. It doesn’t matter whether FOSS products suck or not. They are “good”, and proprietary software is evil. According to Stallman it is just wrong to use closed source software, no matter how good it is.

    What’s really ridiculous about the 7sins campaign is, that it is just a distraction. ALL the points are moot points. The FSF doesn’t really care about them.

    Even if Win7 would be the most perfect software ever created, assembled by divine beings, with no WGA whatsoever, given free of charge, even if it would run with blazing speed on a 486 with 8 MB RAM , it wouldn’t matter at all.

    Because:

    http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2009/04/stallman-discusses-free-softwa.html

    Stallman:

    “proprietary software is something worse than an inconvenience. Proprietary software is a social problem, and our aim is to put an end to it. Free software is sometimes more powerful and reliable, but what concerns us most is that it is a more ethical way to distribute software.”

    As long it’s not “FREE” (as grandmaster RMS defines it), it’s evil. There is no common ground. So the 7sins campaign is just a red herring. It’s a fake cause.

  6. Yep, fake cause indeed. But seems like a good way to make money by doing little to nothing. I mean, those people are paid to lie, and are also paid to make such shitty websites. A single static webpage like that can cost $1500-$2000 and you get something of good-to-awesome quality and support if something goes wrong. FSF instead pays $53k a year those people to make crap like that.

    WTF, I too want to be paid so much to make up shit and build ugly websites!

  7. Raz :
    It’s really strange when I hear freetards talking about Windows BSODing every day, even more times in the same day.

    See, I just mutter and chuckle when people say “oh, windows is horrible, it blue screens 5 times a day.” When I driver is broken, if you trigger the bug its likely you are going to trigger it again. Presto, multiple blue screens of death. I don’t often see them, but when I do, they usual bring friends.
    Which brings me to how amusing it is that the BSOD is so derided among the fosstards when their OS can’t even tell you something went wrong if you aren’t working on a tty usually. I wonder how many of the unwashed masses working on a linux box didn’t realize their computer had actually kernel panicked and needed to be rebooted.

  8. The last time I saw a BSOD was while trying to do the initial boot during the Windows Vista installer process.

    Why?

    The media center I was installing it on uses this pretty rare Nvidia graphics card with a half-dozen outputs (including SCART, of all things). It didn’t like it when my TV was plugged in with HDMI, so I switched it over to VGA, completed the installation, and plugged HDMI back in – working fine, and I haven’t had a BSOD on it since.

  9. Kerberos, look at what everyone’s favorite Zealot, Adam King wrote at LH, he named you in a “challenge”:

    “I pose a challenge you for guys. .net jerkface, Kerabos, whatever: Read the GNU Manifesto and refute it. I really would love to see a refutation of the GNU Manifesto out there. If someone does this, I promise to pose something praiseworthy of Microsoft and proprietary software on my blog.

    August 27, 2009 10:32 PM”

  10. Not a bad idea. I am sure the communist, sorry I mean GNU, manifesto is a bit lacking on the whole ‘welcome to reality front’.

  11. . FSF instead pays $53k a year those people to make crap like that.

    Has anyone else noticed that despite of all the preaching about open standards, the 7 sins of 7 site doesn’t validate? Aside, anyone notice that, regarding the job posting, they ask that CVs be in proprietary PDF format?

    Not a bad idea. I am sure the communist, sorry I mean GNU, manifesto is a bit lacking on the whole ‘welcome to reality front’.

    I’ve always liked the “MyDoom And You” article by RMS, where writers of proprietary software are lumped together with rapists and murderers.

    Beyond his crackpot rambling, I’m also quite fond of the Emacs newsletter postings where he argues that working on Emacs should take precedence over raising one’s children.

  12. Err, mailing list, not newsletter. Whatever.

  13. Has he ever stated his opinion on software that isn’t distributed at all? Say I write some software to do something for my own purposes; am I obligated by RMS to distribute it freely or does he permit me to keep it? Do I have to distribute my version of HelloWorld?

  14. “where he argues that working on Emacs should take precedence over raising one’s children.”

    Link?

  15. That site is a horrible attack on Windows. Linus needs to realize that even his partner, Stallman, is one of the guys he spoke against in his quote.

  16. LH is back with a new (two-sentence) post.

  17. I hate that guy, Linux Hater. He’s too much of a chicken shit to at least give his nickname. He keeps kicking Tux in the balls.

  18. And I wish I had never posted at Linux Haters Blog. Now every comment I get is someone flaming me for using Linux. I completely disabled comments, as I’m getting tired of it.

  19. He’s no chicken shit, he’s just not stupid enough to. He explained this already too. Not like anyone actually gives a flying fuck who you are either.

    As for comments, of course it’s all anti-linux on your blog as LH readers are your only blog readers (no one sane would actually go there otherwise — not even your mom). You started it by posting stupid shit on LH, your own damn fault.

  20. @Thomas B, you delete everything someone takes the time to write in your comments.

    I mention that Steve Jobs’ turtlenecks and sandals aren’t professional attire, that offends you and you go off on a tizzy and delete it.

    Anyone says “OpenSolaris Linux”, you lose it and scramble to delete everything.

    You delete entire threads of actual civil debate and commentary because you don’t like differences of opinion.

  21. Thomas B

    NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU USE. You don’t get flamed for using Linux, you get corrected when you spout out FSF talking points.

  22. Thomas B thinks he’s some kind of Linux martyr!

  23. Victimization + heavy censorship. Yep, sounds like the Linux cult all over again.

  24. Linux_Victim :“where he argues that working on Emacs should take precedence over raising one’s children.”
    Link?

    Here is a Stallman quote taken from http://edward.oconnor.cx/2005/04/rms

    “It doesn’t take special talents to reproduce—even plants can do it. On the other hand, contributing to a program like Emacs takes real skill. That is really something to be proud of.”

  25. “It doesn’t take special talents to reproduce—even plants can do it”

    Yet, he hasn’t managed to do it and likely never will.

    Dishonest misadjusted nutcases like him not reproducing gives me hope in humanity. We may have a future.

  26. http://mpscripts.omegasubs.com/blog/last-post/

    Good bye

  27. Tagged AndNothingOfValueWasLost

  28. “Good bye”

    Sorry, but what on earth did you expect? You approached one of the few holdouts on the internet where the pragmatists and realists seriously outnumber the freetards, a community not of newbies but generally of seasoned pro’s who have *tried* Linux and found it lacking. We’ve heard every talking point and every argument repeatedly.

    So you turn up, start a blog on how fantastic Linux is despite not really knowing anything about Linux or Unix or even NT’s heritage, or computers in general that is (which is fine, it takes years and years to get to be any good).

    “Newbie finds Linux, enthralled by the CLI – it’s all fun as long as you don’t have any actual work to do.” We see this constantly all over the net.

    Anyway you advertise your blog in ‘Linuxhaters’, possibly the most anti-Linux community on the Internet, and then act surprised when you don’t get hordes of admiring fans. What’s next? Opening a burger joint in India?

    Try the Ubuntuforums instead. It’s a bastion of groupthink stupidity, but it’s fine as long as you agree with everything they say.

  29. This is funny too – the standard freetard response is ‘Well the FSF just promote FOSS, they don’t write it’.

    So the idiots that want me to give away all my work and rights for free don’t even make anything themselves? Man, how gullible do they think I am?

  30. I clicked on Thomas B’s “last post” link, looking forward to reading whatever wisdom he was going to leave us with, and in typical Thomas B fashion, that’s been deleted as well!

    Now he’s no longer giving us the benefit of his vast computer experience.

  31. New Ubuntu post by LH is up today!

  32. MORE NONSENSE FROM THOMAS B

    So much for his “goodbye”. He has a phony story up about being threatened by a supervisor from FinallyFast.com

    http://mpscripts.omegasubs.com/blog/

    I would go and leave a comment, but I’m banned for saying OpenSolaris Linux. Seriously.

  33. D*mn kerberos, i’m actually quite enjoying reading through your stuff! – apparently you’re just about as good as LH when it comes to rhetorics, and your technical experience/insight is also quite impressive!

  34. I still haven’t seen you come on the show to defend your position. I also see you won’t even show your face or your name.

    Come on our new show, The Computer Action Show, if you have the courage to. I use MY real name.

  35. @BL: Nobody gives a flying fuck, sorry.

  36. Lunduke, history is littered with anonymous authors who disguised their identities so as to freely write about whatever they wished. Freedom. Like what Linux is supposedly all about. Now, obviously, complaining about Linux isn’t quite at the same level as writing to avoid very real legal or religious persecution, but if it means there are a few fewer people nipping at his heels, I can’t fault the guy.

    Anonymity isn’t anathema, it’s something to be cherished, because it means that only the arguments themselves, and not the author, will be addressed in any proper rebuttal.

    And let’s not forget, his opinions have value whether or not he appears on your ‘web show.’ If you want to debate them, you can feel free to do so here or to run back to your blog and do so, but if that’s the case, enjoy the silence.

    By the way, Kyle’s my real first name – does that give me some kind of ‘net cred, or do I have to give up my last name too? How much is enough for you, Bryan?

  37. I thought Stallman and the FSF were all about “freedom”.

    Then why is their loony windows7sins.org site licensed as such:

    This page is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 3.0 License.

  38. You know, It’s kinda funny how Lundouche is so trigger happy with the challenges, yet won’t take you up on on yours.

    No, Bryan, nobody wants to go on your insignificant little show, it serves only to provide you with the attention you whore for and to feed your ego, at the expense of their dignity.

    You’re unoriginal, uncreative, and your argumentation tends to suck, and using your real name has nothing to do with courage and everything to do with ego. In fact, I believe you’d potentially be a lot less of an apologist if you didn’t.

  39. Everyone, visit here: http://mpscripts.omegasubs.com/blog/windows-sucks/ . Start the flaming!

  40. @Kharkhalash: Long time since we heard of you over at LH. Planning on comin’ back? Your posts were allways a great read! ;)

  41. Tommy Tommy Tommy…. This is you:

    http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm

    Given that, why should anyone care?

  42. Plain old flamebait trolling indeed.

    From a stupid kid who knows zilch about operating systems in the first place.

    He’s just going to remain a virgin for the rest of his life. I dunno if his mom had planned on him staying for another 30+ years though.

  43. Planning on comin’ back? Your posts were allways a great read!

    Indeed.
    And thanks for the kind words! ^_^

  44. Windows 7 is not heading for my computer. If you want it, you can have it. I don’t want it and I won’t waste my money on it. The problem with Windows 7 is simply, MS expects me to give them extra money to get access to something I already have. When I was using XP I was happy. It worked well and I had it in my language. Well, I don’t live in a country where people speak my language. This means that I have to buy my computers in another country, build them myself or learn how to read Chinese characters. Again, I had XP in my language and it worked fine and I was happy. That was then, this is now. Vista was supposed to fix this problem and allow people to download language packs so that they could use their computers in their own language. Oh, but the fact that you had to buy the super duper up grade not just the normal upgrade and had to buy the language pack on top of that basically meant that I would have to spend DOUBLE, to be able to use my own language when all those other features were not things I would ever use in an OS. Not only that but Office 2007 also had this kind of crap in it. In both cases the English was already in the software but I was still being told that I had to shell out more cash to get access to it. I’m sorry. I have a budget. I don’t mind buying software. I buy a lot of software come to think of it. But I am not stupid. I don’t need to pay extra and get special permission from Billy fucking G to use a computer in my own language.

    Windows 7, last time I checked and I have been checking, does this exact same crap. No way am I going to pay for it. No way am I going to buy it. No way am I going to get any computer that has it. MS fucked me over as a customer and they will have to do a lot to re-earn my trust. I won’t say it is impossible but just not likely.

    On top of that, I work at a company where there are lots of foreign nationals. We have people from all over the world. Sure we use mostly English in the office but these people all find themselves in the same position. They either have to get a computer from their home country, or learn how to read Kanji. We aren’t a heavy computer use company. We only need computers for a few select task involving an office suite. You know, write reports, create forms, make a simple presentation. The things aren’t even on most of the time and we don’t sit behind them like we are changed to them. We make money by providing what our company offers to the customer. We don’t run web sites. Computers are there for support, they are not the source of our income. We can’t justify the cost of Windows ultimate or Apple hardware.

    With all that in mind it is no wonder more than half of our staff has switched to Linux. It does what we need it to do, lets us set our own language and doesn’t cost the company extra money. Now I don’t know if Linux is better than Windows or visa versa. All I know is that Windows is not providing a product to use that we can use in the way we need to use it and Linux is. We would be all probably be happy to buy Windows if the stupid language thing did not feel like extortion. As it is, the Asians use Windows and the foreigners use Linux.

    Now I will go ahead and say up front that even though I use open source software, while my co-workers use openoffice, I went ahead and got StarOffice. Why? Because I don’t mind buying software if it gives me what I want, which Windows and MS Office 2007 currently do not. I am not part of the Linux community. I really can not stand most of those guys, but they have created a product that I can take advantage of. It works fine what everyone in my office needs.

    Now that I have told you that I am not part of the Linux community you should also know that I probably would never give money to the Linux community. Why? I am a Catholic. OOH, I can see that hate building up in your eyes. Yes, a Catholic. And as such, now that I know that Billy G and MS give lots of money each year to a eugenics company that kills children and wants to kill off all the black people in the U.S. I really don’t feel like giving them any money either.

    Oh, you will say that I must be lying or that I am brainwashed by a cult so that I will act lockstep with my community. I must be a religious bigot.

    Really, since when did you have to be anything other than just human to think that racism and killing children were wrong? It is really sad that humanity has sunk so low that anyone who disagrees with chopping children into pieces must be a religious nut.

    Oh I can see your replies now. I offended you by bringing this up and you want me to apologize to you and Billy G for having an actual legitimate complaint about his OS and for having an actual legitimate complaint about how he spends money that he gets from its sale. Well let me just go ahead and say “Sorry.” I am sorry that you have to use an OS that was developed by murderers and that you are too messed up to care.

    Now perhaps I am being too hard on you. After all, there are probably a lot of Catholics who use windows as I used to simply because they don’t know what MS is doing. I will give you the option of an olive leaf if you think that you can discuss these things with me in a way that is not just putting down Catholics; blindly defending Billy G, his company or his OS then we can talk. Heaping hate on Linux does not affect me. I don’t care about Linux. It is just a piece of software, not my life. I will tell you this though. The local Bishop here is aware of what MS has been doing and he is now switching all the computers in the Diocese to Solaris 10 (he doesn’t trust Linux), so it isn’t like I am alone in this conviction.

  45. “MS expects me to give them extra money to get access to something I already have. ”

    Yeah. Because MS gave you XP for free before that, right? And pre-2001, your Windows 9x was free as well? MS aren’t in the business of giving operating systems away.

    “Vista was supposed to fix this problem and allow people to download language packs so that they could use their computers in their own language”"

    And it did. It’s just that you were unwilling to pay for it, much like you’re not willing to pay for Win7. I wanted the feature (we speak different languages over here) so I paid for it. Very happy customer here — XP just couldn’t do that.

    “Not only that but Office 2007 also had this kind of crap in it”

    What? I slipstreamed language packs in my MS Office install disc. Works great (input, correction and all, in all languages, including hand recognition). PEBCAK?

    “They either have to get a computer from their home country, or learn how to read Kanji.”

    Or then again, use Vista or Win 7, which will let them use over 30 different languages. I doubt they’re all cheap fucks. Windows licenses aren’t that expensive, especially for “foreign nationals”.

    “With all that in mind it is no wonder more than half of our staff has switched to Linux.”

    LOL. Yes, go for the OS with the worst multi-language support (it’s atrocious even at very popular languages) and which only has a crappy office suite (OOo) whose non-english input/dictionaries/spelling and so on would be in a better state if it didn’t exist (it’s worse than nothing)

    Seriously… People have been using XP since 2001. You’ve had 8 years of use. If you get that long out of your Win 7 license, assuming Win 7 costs the same as Vista Ultimate costs ($210 USD here), then it’s costing you like $2/month (about the price of a decent cup of coffee), for the very best OS out there.

    I won’t even bother replying to the other nonsense at the end of your post.