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		<title>By: ya sure</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2889</link>
		<dc:creator>ya sure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 20:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;MS expects me to give them extra money to get access to something I already have. &quot;

Yeah. Because MS gave you XP for free before that, right? And pre-2001, your Windows 9x was free as well? MS aren&#039;t in the business of giving operating systems away.

&quot;Vista was supposed to fix this problem and allow people to download language packs so that they could use their computers in their own language&quot;&quot;

And it did. It&#039;s just that you were unwilling to pay for it, much like you&#039;re not willing to pay for Win7. I wanted the feature (we speak different languages over here) so I paid for it. Very happy customer here -- XP just couldn&#039;t do that.

&quot;Not only that but Office 2007 also had this kind of crap in it&quot;

What? I slipstreamed language packs in my MS Office install disc. Works great (input, correction and all, in all languages, including hand recognition). PEBCAK?

&quot;They either have to get a computer from their home country, or learn how to read Kanji.&quot;

Or then again, use Vista or Win 7, which will let them use over 30 different languages. I doubt they&#039;re all cheap fucks. Windows licenses aren&#039;t that expensive, especially for &quot;foreign nationals&quot;.

&quot;With all that in mind it is no wonder more than half of our staff has switched to Linux.&quot;

LOL. Yes, go for the OS with the worst multi-language support (it&#039;s atrocious even at very popular languages) and which only has a crappy office suite (OOo) whose non-english input/dictionaries/spelling and so on would be in a better state if it didn&#039;t exist (it&#039;s worse than nothing)

Seriously... People have been using XP since 2001. You&#039;ve had 8 years of use. If you get that long out of your Win 7 license, assuming Win 7 costs the same as Vista Ultimate costs ($210 USD here), then it&#039;s costing you like $2/month (about the price of a decent cup of coffee), for the very best OS out there.

I won&#039;t even bother replying to the other nonsense at the end of your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;MS expects me to give them extra money to get access to something I already have. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah. Because MS gave you XP for free before that, right? And pre-2001, your Windows 9x was free as well? MS aren&#8217;t in the business of giving operating systems away.</p>
<p>&#8220;Vista was supposed to fix this problem and allow people to download language packs so that they could use their computers in their own language&#8221;"</p>
<p>And it did. It&#8217;s just that you were unwilling to pay for it, much like you&#8217;re not willing to pay for Win7. I wanted the feature (we speak different languages over here) so I paid for it. Very happy customer here &#8212; XP just couldn&#8217;t do that.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not only that but Office 2007 also had this kind of crap in it&#8221;</p>
<p>What? I slipstreamed language packs in my MS Office install disc. Works great (input, correction and all, in all languages, including hand recognition). PEBCAK?</p>
<p>&#8220;They either have to get a computer from their home country, or learn how to read Kanji.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or then again, use Vista or Win 7, which will let them use over 30 different languages. I doubt they&#8217;re all cheap fucks. Windows licenses aren&#8217;t that expensive, especially for &#8220;foreign nationals&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;With all that in mind it is no wonder more than half of our staff has switched to Linux.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL. Yes, go for the OS with the worst multi-language support (it&#8217;s atrocious even at very popular languages) and which only has a crappy office suite (OOo) whose non-english input/dictionaries/spelling and so on would be in a better state if it didn&#8217;t exist (it&#8217;s worse than nothing)</p>
<p>Seriously&#8230; People have been using XP since 2001. You&#8217;ve had 8 years of use. If you get that long out of your Win 7 license, assuming Win 7 costs the same as Vista Ultimate costs ($210 USD here), then it&#8217;s costing you like $2/month (about the price of a decent cup of coffee), for the very best OS out there.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t even bother replying to the other nonsense at the end of your post.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2885</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windows 7 is not heading for my computer.  If you want it, you can have it.  I don&#039;t want it and I won&#039;t waste my money on it.  The problem with Windows 7 is simply, MS expects me to give them extra money to get access to something I already have.  When I was using XP I was happy.  It worked well and I had it in my language.  Well, I don&#039;t live in a country where people speak my language.  This means that I have to buy my computers in another country, build them myself or learn how to read Chinese characters.  Again, I had XP in my language and it worked fine and I was happy.  That was then, this is now.  Vista was supposed to fix this problem and allow people to download language packs so that they could use their computers in their own language.  Oh, but the fact that you had to buy the super duper up grade not just the normal upgrade and had to buy the language pack on top of that basically meant that I would have to spend DOUBLE, to be able to use my own language when all those other features were not things I would ever use in an OS.  Not only that but Office 2007 also had this kind of crap in it.  In both cases the English was already in the software but I was still being told that I had to shell out more cash to get access to it.  I&#039;m sorry.  I have a budget.  I don&#039;t mind buying software.  I buy a lot of software come to think of it.  But I am not stupid.  I don&#039;t need to pay extra and get special permission from Billy fucking G to use a computer in my own language.  

Windows 7, last time I checked and I have been checking, does this exact same crap.  No way am I going to pay for it.  No way am I going to buy it.  No way am I going to get any computer that has it.  MS fucked me over as a customer and they will have to do a lot to re-earn my trust.  I won&#039;t say it is impossible but just not likely.

On top of that, I work at a company where there are lots of foreign nationals.  We have people from all over the world.  Sure we use mostly English in the office but these people all find themselves in the same position.  They either have to get a computer from their home country, or learn how to read Kanji.  We aren&#039;t a heavy computer use company.  We only need computers for a few select task involving an office suite.  You know, write reports, create forms, make a simple presentation.  The things aren&#039;t even on most of the time and we don&#039;t sit behind them like we are changed to them.  We make money by providing what our company offers to the customer.  We don&#039;t run web sites.  Computers are there for support, they are not the source of our income.  We can&#039;t justify the cost of Windows ultimate or Apple hardware.

With all that in mind it is no wonder more than half of our staff has switched to Linux.  It does what we need it to do, lets us set our own language and doesn&#039;t cost the company extra money.  Now I don&#039;t know if Linux is better than Windows or visa versa.  All I know is that Windows is not providing a product to use that we can use in the way we need to use it and Linux is.  We would be all probably be happy to buy Windows if the stupid language thing did not feel like extortion.  As it is, the Asians use Windows and the foreigners use Linux.  

Now I will go ahead and say up front that even though I use open source software, while my co-workers use openoffice, I went ahead and got StarOffice.  Why?  Because I don&#039;t mind buying software if it gives me what I want, which Windows and MS Office 2007 currently do not.  I am not part of the Linux community.  I really can not stand most of those guys, but they have created a product that I can take advantage of.  It works fine what everyone in my office needs.  

Now that I have told you that I am not part of the Linux community you should also know that I probably would never give money to the Linux community.  Why?  I am a Catholic.  OOH, I can see that hate building up in your eyes.  Yes, a Catholic.  And as such, now that I know that Billy G and MS give lots of money each year to a eugenics company that kills children and wants to kill off all the black people in the U.S. I really don&#039;t feel like giving them any money either.  

Oh, you will say that I must be lying or that I am brainwashed by a cult so that I will act lockstep with my community.  I must be a religious bigot.

Really, since when did you have to be anything other than just human to think that racism and killing children were wrong?  It is really sad that humanity has sunk so low that anyone who disagrees with chopping children into pieces must be a religious nut.  

Oh I can see your replies now.  I offended you by bringing this up and you want me to apologize to you and Billy G for having an actual legitimate complaint about his OS and for having an actual legitimate complaint about how he spends money that he gets from its sale.  Well let me just go ahead and say &quot;Sorry.&quot;  I am sorry that you have to use an OS that was developed by murderers and that you are too messed up to care.  

Now perhaps I am being too hard on you.  After all, there are probably a lot of Catholics who use windows as I used to simply because they don&#039;t know what MS is doing.  I will give you the option of an olive leaf if you think that you can discuss these things with me in a way that is not just putting down Catholics; blindly defending Billy G, his company or his OS then we can talk.  Heaping hate on Linux does not affect me.  I don&#039;t care about Linux.  It is just a piece of software, not my life.  I will tell you this though.  The local Bishop here is aware of what MS has been doing and he is now switching all the computers in the Diocese to Solaris 10 (he doesn&#039;t trust Linux), so it isn&#039;t like I am alone in this conviction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows 7 is not heading for my computer.  If you want it, you can have it.  I don&#8217;t want it and I won&#8217;t waste my money on it.  The problem with Windows 7 is simply, MS expects me to give them extra money to get access to something I already have.  When I was using XP I was happy.  It worked well and I had it in my language.  Well, I don&#8217;t live in a country where people speak my language.  This means that I have to buy my computers in another country, build them myself or learn how to read Chinese characters.  Again, I had XP in my language and it worked fine and I was happy.  That was then, this is now.  Vista was supposed to fix this problem and allow people to download language packs so that they could use their computers in their own language.  Oh, but the fact that you had to buy the super duper up grade not just the normal upgrade and had to buy the language pack on top of that basically meant that I would have to spend DOUBLE, to be able to use my own language when all those other features were not things I would ever use in an OS.  Not only that but Office 2007 also had this kind of crap in it.  In both cases the English was already in the software but I was still being told that I had to shell out more cash to get access to it.  I&#8217;m sorry.  I have a budget.  I don&#8217;t mind buying software.  I buy a lot of software come to think of it.  But I am not stupid.  I don&#8217;t need to pay extra and get special permission from Billy fucking G to use a computer in my own language.  </p>
<p>Windows 7, last time I checked and I have been checking, does this exact same crap.  No way am I going to pay for it.  No way am I going to buy it.  No way am I going to get any computer that has it.  MS fucked me over as a customer and they will have to do a lot to re-earn my trust.  I won&#8217;t say it is impossible but just not likely.</p>
<p>On top of that, I work at a company where there are lots of foreign nationals.  We have people from all over the world.  Sure we use mostly English in the office but these people all find themselves in the same position.  They either have to get a computer from their home country, or learn how to read Kanji.  We aren&#8217;t a heavy computer use company.  We only need computers for a few select task involving an office suite.  You know, write reports, create forms, make a simple presentation.  The things aren&#8217;t even on most of the time and we don&#8217;t sit behind them like we are changed to them.  We make money by providing what our company offers to the customer.  We don&#8217;t run web sites.  Computers are there for support, they are not the source of our income.  We can&#8217;t justify the cost of Windows ultimate or Apple hardware.</p>
<p>With all that in mind it is no wonder more than half of our staff has switched to Linux.  It does what we need it to do, lets us set our own language and doesn&#8217;t cost the company extra money.  Now I don&#8217;t know if Linux is better than Windows or visa versa.  All I know is that Windows is not providing a product to use that we can use in the way we need to use it and Linux is.  We would be all probably be happy to buy Windows if the stupid language thing did not feel like extortion.  As it is, the Asians use Windows and the foreigners use Linux.  </p>
<p>Now I will go ahead and say up front that even though I use open source software, while my co-workers use openoffice, I went ahead and got StarOffice.  Why?  Because I don&#8217;t mind buying software if it gives me what I want, which Windows and MS Office 2007 currently do not.  I am not part of the Linux community.  I really can not stand most of those guys, but they have created a product that I can take advantage of.  It works fine what everyone in my office needs.  </p>
<p>Now that I have told you that I am not part of the Linux community you should also know that I probably would never give money to the Linux community.  Why?  I am a Catholic.  OOH, I can see that hate building up in your eyes.  Yes, a Catholic.  And as such, now that I know that Billy G and MS give lots of money each year to a eugenics company that kills children and wants to kill off all the black people in the U.S. I really don&#8217;t feel like giving them any money either.  </p>
<p>Oh, you will say that I must be lying or that I am brainwashed by a cult so that I will act lockstep with my community.  I must be a religious bigot.</p>
<p>Really, since when did you have to be anything other than just human to think that racism and killing children were wrong?  It is really sad that humanity has sunk so low that anyone who disagrees with chopping children into pieces must be a religious nut.  </p>
<p>Oh I can see your replies now.  I offended you by bringing this up and you want me to apologize to you and Billy G for having an actual legitimate complaint about his OS and for having an actual legitimate complaint about how he spends money that he gets from its sale.  Well let me just go ahead and say &#8220;Sorry.&#8221;  I am sorry that you have to use an OS that was developed by murderers and that you are too messed up to care.  </p>
<p>Now perhaps I am being too hard on you.  After all, there are probably a lot of Catholics who use windows as I used to simply because they don&#8217;t know what MS is doing.  I will give you the option of an olive leaf if you think that you can discuss these things with me in a way that is not just putting down Catholics; blindly defending Billy G, his company or his OS then we can talk.  Heaping hate on Linux does not affect me.  I don&#8217;t care about Linux.  It is just a piece of software, not my life.  I will tell you this though.  The local Bishop here is aware of what MS has been doing and he is now switching all the computers in the Diocese to Solaris 10 (he doesn&#8217;t trust Linux), so it isn&#8217;t like I am alone in this conviction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kharkhalash</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2863</link>
		<dc:creator>Kharkhalash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 05:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Planning on comin’ back? Your posts were allways a great read!&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed.
And thanks for the kind words! ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Planning on comin’ back? Your posts were allways a great read!</i></p>
<p>Indeed.<br />
And thanks for the kind words! ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: heh</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2840</link>
		<dc:creator>heh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 04:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plain old flamebait trolling indeed.

From a stupid kid who knows zilch about operating systems in the first place.

He&#039;s just going to remain a virgin for the rest of his life. I dunno if his mom had planned on him staying for another 30+ years though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plain old flamebait trolling indeed.</p>
<p>From a stupid kid who knows zilch about operating systems in the first place.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s just going to remain a virgin for the rest of his life. I dunno if his mom had planned on him staying for another 30+ years though.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr O</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2838</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 03:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tommy Tommy Tommy.... This is you:

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm

Given that, why should anyone care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tommy Tommy Tommy&#8230;. This is you:</p>
<p><a href="http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm" rel="nofollow">http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/enfantprovocateur.htm</a></p>
<p>Given that, why should anyone care?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2835</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kharkhalash: Long time since we heard of you over at LH. Planning on comin&#039; back? Your posts were allways a great read! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kharkhalash: Long time since we heard of you over at LH. Planning on comin&#8217; back? Your posts were allways a great read! <img src='http://piestar.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Thomas B</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2834</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 23:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone, visit here: http://mpscripts.omegasubs.com/blog/windows-sucks/ . Start the flaming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone, visit here: <a href="http://mpscripts.omegasubs.com/blog/windows-sucks/" rel="nofollow">http://mpscripts.omegasubs.com/blog/windows-sucks/</a> . Start the flaming!</p>
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		<title>By: Kharkhalash</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2831</link>
		<dc:creator>Kharkhalash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 14:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, It&#039;s kinda funny how Lundouche is so trigger happy with the challenges, yet won&#039;t take you up on on yours.

No, Bryan, nobody wants to go on your insignificant little show, it serves only to provide you with the attention you whore for and to feed your ego, at the expense of their dignity.

You&#039;re unoriginal, uncreative, and your argumentation tends to suck, and using your real name has nothing to do with courage and everything to do with ego. In fact, I believe you&#039;d potentially be a lot less of an apologist if you didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, It&#8217;s kinda funny how Lundouche is so trigger happy with the challenges, yet won&#8217;t take you up on on yours.</p>
<p>No, Bryan, nobody wants to go on your insignificant little show, it serves only to provide you with the attention you whore for and to feed your ego, at the expense of their dignity.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re unoriginal, uncreative, and your argumentation tends to suck, and using your real name has nothing to do with courage and everything to do with ego. In fact, I believe you&#8217;d potentially be a lot less of an apologist if you didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon2</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2822</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 01:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Stallman and the FSF were all about &quot;freedom&quot;.

Then why is their loony windows7sins.org site licensed as such:

This page is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 3.0 License.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Stallman and the FSF were all about &#8220;freedom&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then why is their loony windows7sins.org site licensed as such:</p>
<p>This page is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-No Derivative Works 3.0 License.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/08/26/and-they-are-at-it-again/#comment-2819</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lunduke, history is littered with anonymous authors who disguised their identities so as to freely write about whatever they wished.  Freedom.  Like what Linux is supposedly all about.  Now, obviously, complaining about Linux isn&#039;t quite at the same level as writing to avoid very real legal or religious persecution, but if it means there are a few fewer people nipping at his heels, I can&#039;t fault the guy.

Anonymity isn&#039;t anathema, it&#039;s something to be cherished, because it means that only the arguments themselves, and not the author, will be addressed in any proper rebuttal.

And let&#039;s not forget, his opinions have value whether or not he appears on your &#039;web show.&#039;  If you want to debate them, you can feel free to do so here or to run back to your blog and do so, but if that&#039;s the case, enjoy the silence.

By the way, Kyle&#039;s my real first name - does that give me some kind of &#039;net cred, or do I have to give up my last name too?  How much is enough for you, Bryan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lunduke, history is littered with anonymous authors who disguised their identities so as to freely write about whatever they wished.  Freedom.  Like what Linux is supposedly all about.  Now, obviously, complaining about Linux isn&#8217;t quite at the same level as writing to avoid very real legal or religious persecution, but if it means there are a few fewer people nipping at his heels, I can&#8217;t fault the guy.</p>
<p>Anonymity isn&#8217;t anathema, it&#8217;s something to be cherished, because it means that only the arguments themselves, and not the author, will be addressed in any proper rebuttal.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s not forget, his opinions have value whether or not he appears on your &#8216;web show.&#8217;  If you want to debate them, you can feel free to do so here or to run back to your blog and do so, but if that&#8217;s the case, enjoy the silence.</p>
<p>By the way, Kyle&#8217;s my real first name &#8211; does that give me some kind of &#8216;net cred, or do I have to give up my last name too?  How much is enough for you, Bryan?</p>
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