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	<description>A pragmatic look at the state of FOSS</description>
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		<title>By: Neken</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3344</link>
		<dc:creator>Neken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 04:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m surprised Windows hasn’t already gained, such as programs being organized by their category.&quot;

Since Vista the start menu folder hierarchy is completely irrelevant. You don&#039;t have to go through menus anymore, first because the 10 most/last used programs are right in your face when you pop the windows menu, secondly because if it&#039;s not there, you don&#039;t lose time to find it in menus and just type the 3 first letters of the program and press enter.

In Windows 7 i personally do not open the windows menu anymore because of the new taskbar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m surprised Windows hasn’t already gained, such as programs being organized by their category.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since Vista the start menu folder hierarchy is completely irrelevant. You don&#8217;t have to go through menus anymore, first because the 10 most/last used programs are right in your face when you pop the windows menu, secondly because if it&#8217;s not there, you don&#8217;t lose time to find it in menus and just type the 3 first letters of the program and press enter.</p>
<p>In Windows 7 i personally do not open the windows menu anymore because of the new taskbar.</p>
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		<title>By: .net jerkface</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3303</link>
		<dc:creator>.net jerkface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 18:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d still rather have kde over gnome. 

At least they are copying a current OS rather than one from 1998.

I&#039;m surprised though by how few distros use the lightweight window managers like xfce when running on old hardware is often used as a selling point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d still rather have kde over gnome. </p>
<p>At least they are copying a current OS rather than one from 1998.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised though by how few distros use the lightweight window managers like xfce when running on old hardware is often used as a selling point.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3300</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But no, it’s because it was ‘different’ that everyone hated it, not because it was pushed out the door unfinished.&quot;

First impressions seriously count in Interfaces, whether for shells, or applications. The first &quot;It&#039;s different!&quot; might be enough to put people off trying it out properly. In the case of Office 2007, they might find out they like it (or not, in which case there&#039;s always 2003). In the case of KDE4, they get over the visual changes, try to use it, _then_ find out it&#039;s a buggy, unstable mess. :) It is, too. I tried it in Kubuntu. Turn on all the desktop effects to see what all the fuss is about, then watched the desktop die a painful black with random white rectangles death. No way of getting it back found, rebooting just brings up the same borked desktop. 

Microsoft do things like this right - any change to display settings has to be confirmed within a countdown period, or it&#039;s reset back to the previous WORKING settings. No such joy in KDE.

Could this be yet more FOSS double-standards at work??

KDE4 - FOSS-developed, badly designed, buggy, unstable and different = &quot;It&#039;s just different!&quot;
Ribbon UI - Microsoft developed, well-designed, usable, stable and different = &quot;It&#039;s shit!&quot;

&quot;It also looks like a bad copy of Vista.&quot;

Very true.

I saw a blog of someone critiquing the KDE4 desktop (I&#039;ll see if I can find it again and post a link) He took a couple of screen grabs, and then proceeded to take it to the fucking cleaners; lousy graphic design, waste of screen space, bad usage of fonts, you name it. The first thing I noticed though, was just how many elements of Vista had been ripped off; glossy black Taskbar, large analog clock, smaller Start Menu button (You can call it the &quot;Kicker&quot; all you want, it&#039;s still the Start Menu). 

When Microsoft copy, it&#039;s theft. When FOSS copies, however badly, it&#039;s innovation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But no, it’s because it was ‘different’ that everyone hated it, not because it was pushed out the door unfinished.&#8221;</p>
<p>First impressions seriously count in Interfaces, whether for shells, or applications. The first &#8220;It&#8217;s different!&#8221; might be enough to put people off trying it out properly. In the case of Office 2007, they might find out they like it (or not, in which case there&#8217;s always 2003). In the case of KDE4, they get over the visual changes, try to use it, _then_ find out it&#8217;s a buggy, unstable mess. <img src='http://piestar.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  It is, too. I tried it in Kubuntu. Turn on all the desktop effects to see what all the fuss is about, then watched the desktop die a painful black with random white rectangles death. No way of getting it back found, rebooting just brings up the same borked desktop. </p>
<p>Microsoft do things like this right &#8211; any change to display settings has to be confirmed within a countdown period, or it&#8217;s reset back to the previous WORKING settings. No such joy in KDE.</p>
<p>Could this be yet more FOSS double-standards at work??</p>
<p>KDE4 &#8211; FOSS-developed, badly designed, buggy, unstable and different = &#8220;It&#8217;s just different!&#8221;<br />
Ribbon UI &#8211; Microsoft developed, well-designed, usable, stable and different = &#8220;It&#8217;s shit!&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It also looks like a bad copy of Vista.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true.</p>
<p>I saw a blog of someone critiquing the KDE4 desktop (I&#8217;ll see if I can find it again and post a link) He took a couple of screen grabs, and then proceeded to take it to the fucking cleaners; lousy graphic design, waste of screen space, bad usage of fonts, you name it. The first thing I noticed though, was just how many elements of Vista had been ripped off; glossy black Taskbar, large analog clock, smaller Start Menu button (You can call it the &#8220;Kicker&#8221; all you want, it&#8217;s still the Start Menu). </p>
<p>When Microsoft copy, it&#8217;s theft. When FOSS copies, however badly, it&#8217;s innovation.</p>
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		<title>By: .net jerkface</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3291</link>
		<dc:creator>.net jerkface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 03:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haiku is interesting in that unlike Linux:

It is built for the desktop. 

The people working on it do not clone design choices from the 70&#039;s.  

It isn&#039;t Linux. A dozen articles proclaiming the year of the Haiku desktop would at least be a change of pace. 

Cons:

Like Gnome it appears to be from the 90&#039;s

Software selection is worse than Linux and will be for years. 

No one really cares

Oh and I want to want to wish a very special Happy Douchebag Day to Thomas and Adam
http://www.jfplayhouse.com/2009/09/happy-douchebag-day-out.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haiku is interesting in that unlike Linux:</p>
<p>It is built for the desktop. </p>
<p>The people working on it do not clone design choices from the 70&#8242;s.  </p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t Linux. A dozen articles proclaiming the year of the Haiku desktop would at least be a change of pace. </p>
<p>Cons:</p>
<p>Like Gnome it appears to be from the 90&#8242;s</p>
<p>Software selection is worse than Linux and will be for years. </p>
<p>No one really cares</p>
<p>Oh and I want to want to wish a very special Happy Douchebag Day to Thomas and Adam<br />
<a href="http://www.jfplayhouse.com/2009/09/happy-douchebag-day-out.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.jfplayhouse.com/2009/09/happy-douchebag-day-out.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adam King</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3278</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Thomas B and his idol, Adam King:

http://www.dresan.com/images/doing-it-wrong.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Thomas B and his idol, Adam King:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dresan.com/images/doing-it-wrong.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.dresan.com/images/doing-it-wrong.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adam King</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3275</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 04:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a fruity weirdo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a fruity weirdo</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas B</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3270</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gnome is not a Windows 98 clone. Gnome is a very good GUI, with some things I&#039;m surprised Windows hasn&#039;t already gained, such as programs being organized by their category. You can also access every aspect of your computer from the Gnome menu, something I know you can&#039;t do with Windows. Gnome is much more organized and speedier than even the current Windows Explorer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gnome is not a Windows 98 clone. Gnome is a very good GUI, with some things I&#8217;m surprised Windows hasn&#8217;t already gained, such as programs being organized by their category. You can also access every aspect of your computer from the Gnome menu, something I know you can&#8217;t do with Windows. Gnome is much more organized and speedier than even the current Windows Explorer.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3269</link>
		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, whatever. You are free to your opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, whatever. You are free to your opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas B</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3266</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cloning software makes me horny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cloning software makes me horny</p>
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		<title>By: kerberos</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/09/18/haiku/#comment-3265</link>
		<dc:creator>kerberos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Joe, my bad,   I meant windows 95.

piestar.net/2009/03/20/gnome-226-partying-like-its-1995/

I did say I had already covered this :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Joe, my bad,   I meant windows 95.</p>
<p>piestar.net/2009/03/20/gnome-226-partying-like-its-1995/</p>
<p>I did say I had already covered this <img src='http://piestar.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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