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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-4533</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the &#039;review&#039; you linked to:
&quot;As far as Bit Locker goes, it’s a non-issue these days to encrypt your home directory in Linux so that feature doesn’t matter to me either unless I’m misunderstanding it. In regards to BranceCache, I don’t think that’s something a typical desktop user would use, but I could be wrong.&quot;

Look at that last sentence again. He doesn&#039;t even have a clue what normal desktop users do/use! All he knows are the bullet points of KDE. How out-of-touch can one be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the &#8216;review&#8217; you linked to:<br />
&#8220;As far as Bit Locker goes, it’s a non-issue these days to encrypt your home directory in Linux so that feature doesn’t matter to me either unless I’m misunderstanding it. In regards to BranceCache, I don’t think that’s something a typical desktop user would use, but I could be wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look at that last sentence again. He doesn&#8217;t even have a clue what normal desktop users do/use! All he knows are the bullet points of KDE. How out-of-touch can one be?</p>
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		<title>By: angrymoose</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-4027</link>
		<dc:creator>angrymoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really DO believe Zeke to be a troll.

And a *damn* fine one, for that matter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really DO believe Zeke to be a troll.</p>
<p>And a *damn* fine one, for that matter!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymouse</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-4025</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMFG WINDOWS SUK AND LINUX IS GOOD FOR YOU I JUST HAD MY FIRST ORGASM AFTER USING COMPIZ SO YOU DONT DAER TO SEY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT LINUX OR ME AND MY LUG WILL COME OVER TO YOU AND DELETE UR OS FROM UR MAC WHICH IS ALSO EVEIL BECAUSE THEY LOCK STUFF SOEMWHERE AND STALLMAN ALSO SAID THAT MACS ARE EBIL! SO DONT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT LINUX OK? BECAUSE I RELLY REALLY REALLLY GET SAD AND ANGERED AND IM KINDA OF A TECHNICAL HULK, YOU WOUDNT LIEK ME WHEN IM MAD AND START THROWING -BASH COMMANDS AFTER YOU!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMFG WINDOWS SUK AND LINUX IS GOOD FOR YOU I JUST HAD MY FIRST ORGASM AFTER USING COMPIZ SO YOU DONT DAER TO SEY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT LINUX OR ME AND MY LUG WILL COME OVER TO YOU AND DELETE UR OS FROM UR MAC WHICH IS ALSO EVEIL BECAUSE THEY LOCK STUFF SOEMWHERE AND STALLMAN ALSO SAID THAT MACS ARE EBIL! SO DONT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT LINUX OK? BECAUSE I RELLY REALLY REALLLY GET SAD AND ANGERED AND IM KINDA OF A TECHNICAL HULK, YOU WOUDNT LIEK ME WHEN IM MAD AND START THROWING -BASH COMMANDS AFTER YOU!</p>
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		<title>By: Gawie Kellerman</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-4020</link>
		<dc:creator>Gawie Kellerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geewizz guys...  really - who the heck cares who ripped what from whom?  The argument is perpetual; stupid and pretty much without basis whatsoever.  I am sure some wiseguy will come along and give you the Xerox debate again. 

Instead of fighting about copyright, it is much more important for me to have a stable, functional and understandable operating environment.

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I have a Mac at home and have been putting all free time into Suse, (K)Ubuntu, Mepis, FreeBSD and various other *ix based distros - and can relate to the romance of free software and &quot;free thinking&quot;.
BUT -
Linux - 
1. As a desktop for a non-techie is like selling a car in its parts - even though the parts are significantly improved over the last years - it still is not friendly enough for non-techies.
2. Linux - patches and releases are unstable and untested for the masses of combinations of things &#039;that go wrong&#039;.  I have spent my fair share of time in the console after doing what was sold to be a simple functionality or security update - and really - this counts for all the distros I have mentioned - some just worse than others!
3. Linux - even though it seems much more fluent in resource use upon OS idle - it is obvious to me in compiling large programs in Java and C++, that the optimization difference (as a whole) between Linux and Windows in its use is much more subtle as apposed to a drastic earth shattering difference.  
4. Linux packages and software (even for developers) seem to be better supported in the Windows world than on Linux... Yes I know this is a naughty statement - but you&#039;ll find that to be very true on many occasions... e.g. MySQL GUI and developer tools on Windows vs Linux...  (Had to throw this  one out there for the trolls...  here trolly trolly)


To summarize - I would love for Linux to be a stable and dependable OS and a true force in corporate desktop environment; I however cannot see it in my wildest dreams making any impact on Microsoft market share due to the above reasons (and more).  Further - from a techie perspective, Microsoft (for the first time EVER)... is making my life a pleasure with the advent of .NET in that I have a best of breed language (Visual Studio still has issues unless you get the right plugins) and execution environment)...

This, coupled with its further building on the traits of XP, will strengthen Microsoft to the point where I really can&#039;t see Linux making any inroads into corporate or desktop environment.

Gawie

PS: The mac task bar/kicker is shit.  I have on numerous occasions got it acting really funky.  M$ and KDE, for my liking, is much closer to what I expect from a taskbar as being the one point of interaction (instead of GNOME/Mac which is distributed over two areas)...  everything in one place...  one place to worry about whether your mouse if going over the screen edge, one place to configure etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geewizz guys&#8230;  really &#8211; who the heck cares who ripped what from whom?  The argument is perpetual; stupid and pretty much without basis whatsoever.  I am sure some wiseguy will come along and give you the Xerox debate again. </p>
<p>Instead of fighting about copyright, it is much more important for me to have a stable, functional and understandable operating environment.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I have a Mac at home and have been putting all free time into Suse, (K)Ubuntu, Mepis, FreeBSD and various other *ix based distros &#8211; and can relate to the romance of free software and &#8220;free thinking&#8221;.<br />
BUT -<br />
Linux &#8211;<br />
1. As a desktop for a non-techie is like selling a car in its parts &#8211; even though the parts are significantly improved over the last years &#8211; it still is not friendly enough for non-techies.<br />
2. Linux &#8211; patches and releases are unstable and untested for the masses of combinations of things &#8216;that go wrong&#8217;.  I have spent my fair share of time in the console after doing what was sold to be a simple functionality or security update &#8211; and really &#8211; this counts for all the distros I have mentioned &#8211; some just worse than others!<br />
3. Linux &#8211; even though it seems much more fluent in resource use upon OS idle &#8211; it is obvious to me in compiling large programs in Java and C++, that the optimization difference (as a whole) between Linux and Windows in its use is much more subtle as apposed to a drastic earth shattering difference.<br />
4. Linux packages and software (even for developers) seem to be better supported in the Windows world than on Linux&#8230; Yes I know this is a naughty statement &#8211; but you&#8217;ll find that to be very true on many occasions&#8230; e.g. MySQL GUI and developer tools on Windows vs Linux&#8230;  (Had to throw this  one out there for the trolls&#8230;  here trolly trolly)</p>
<p>To summarize &#8211; I would love for Linux to be a stable and dependable OS and a true force in corporate desktop environment; I however cannot see it in my wildest dreams making any impact on Microsoft market share due to the above reasons (and more).  Further &#8211; from a techie perspective, Microsoft (for the first time EVER)&#8230; is making my life a pleasure with the advent of .NET in that I have a best of breed language (Visual Studio still has issues unless you get the right plugins) and execution environment)&#8230;</p>
<p>This, coupled with its further building on the traits of XP, will strengthen Microsoft to the point where I really can&#8217;t see Linux making any inroads into corporate or desktop environment.</p>
<p>Gawie</p>
<p>PS: The mac task bar/kicker is shit.  I have on numerous occasions got it acting really funky.  M$ and KDE, for my liking, is much closer to what I expect from a taskbar as being the one point of interaction (instead of GNOME/Mac which is distributed over two areas)&#8230;  everything in one place&#8230;  one place to worry about whether your mouse if going over the screen edge, one place to configure etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: fearu</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-3859</link>
		<dc:creator>fearu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is interesting to see ubuntu added to the formula: http://www.google.com/trends?q=linux%2C+windows%2Cubuntu&amp;ctab=0&amp;geo=all&amp;date=all&amp;sort=0, an operating system that is becoming a synonym of linux.

Also, I know many answered you, but I have to tell you: Zeke, you are a moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is interesting to see ubuntu added to the formula: <a href="http://www.google.com/trends?q=linux%2C+windows%2Cubuntu&#038;ctab=0&#038;geo=all&#038;date=all&#038;sort=0" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/trends?q=linux%2C+windows%2Cubuntu&#038;ctab=0&#038;geo=all&#038;date=all&#038;sort=0</a>, an operating system that is becoming a synonym of linux.</p>
<p>Also, I know many answered you, but I have to tell you: Zeke, you are a moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Tux Sux</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-3842</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux Sux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>x86 processors have been strictly 64-bit since 2006 or so (maybe even by the end of 2005) and available since 2003. It will be at least 4Q 2012 by the time Windows 8 is released and likely longer given 7 was a rushed release and it still took three years. That means even if the rumor of dropped 32 bit support was true, the impacted hardware would be, at the absolute minimum, seven years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>x86 processors have been strictly 64-bit since 2006 or so (maybe even by the end of 2005) and available since 2003. It will be at least 4Q 2012 by the time Windows 8 is released and likely longer given 7 was a rushed release and it still took three years. That means even if the rumor of dropped 32 bit support was true, the impacted hardware would be, at the absolute minimum, seven years old.</p>
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		<title>By: Tux Sux</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-3840</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux Sux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back. Excellent post. It was worth the wait.

It&#039;s telling that Statscounter continues reporting Windows 2000 yet drops Linux. I&#039;m sure the advocates will still claim victory and claim the totality of &quot;other&quot; is in fact &quot;Linux&quot;, but we all know that figure is full of Windows 98 systems, nerds disabling user agent reporting, and proxy users.

As for Windows 7&#039;s revised taskbar, I have to agree that it doesn&#039;t share too much in common with the NeXT/OSX dock model. It&#039;s more like Quick Launch merged with the System Tray with added functionality to determine when and what a program is running. Its behavior definitely has the &quot;Windows&quot; feel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back. Excellent post. It was worth the wait.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s telling that Statscounter continues reporting Windows 2000 yet drops Linux. I&#8217;m sure the advocates will still claim victory and claim the totality of &#8220;other&#8221; is in fact &#8220;Linux&#8221;, but we all know that figure is full of Windows 98 systems, nerds disabling user agent reporting, and proxy users.</p>
<p>As for Windows 7&#8242;s revised taskbar, I have to agree that it doesn&#8217;t share too much in common with the NeXT/OSX dock model. It&#8217;s more like Quick Launch merged with the System Tray with added functionality to determine when and what a program is running. Its behavior definitely has the &#8220;Windows&#8221; feel.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cranium</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-3833</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cranium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta love it.  The man makes a well thought out post full of legitimate observations and even challenges people to find him a place where there is healthy debate regarding the clear and obvious problems facing Linux, and what happens?  As though on cue some frothing freetard steps in and does nothing but demonstrate the validity of the authors criticisms.

Well done Zeke!  You have earned Uncle Dicky&#039;s Brass Ass of Class Award of Dubious Distinction in the category of Epic Fail.  That you can (evidently) type and draw breath at the same time is nothing short of a phenomenal achievement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love it.  The man makes a well thought out post full of legitimate observations and even challenges people to find him a place where there is healthy debate regarding the clear and obvious problems facing Linux, and what happens?  As though on cue some frothing freetard steps in and does nothing but demonstrate the validity of the authors criticisms.</p>
<p>Well done Zeke!  You have earned Uncle Dicky&#8217;s Brass Ass of Class Award of Dubious Distinction in the category of Epic Fail.  That you can (evidently) type and draw breath at the same time is nothing short of a phenomenal achievement.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-3809</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And did you know that KDE4 was in development way before Windows 7 was. Even if it was, KDE developers had no access to what Windows 7 was planning.&quot;

They didn&#039;t need to look at Windows 7; KDE4 ripped off VISTA. Which was released in 2006, after public beta and RC releases, and many leaked interface screenshots. KDE4 was released in January 2008.

&quot;Microsoft tries and patent everything it gets it’s hands on.&quot;

Compare and contrast to FOSS heroes IBM, whose championing of Linux (to help them sell very expensive consulting services) gets them a free pass, while their patent portfolio DWARFS Microsoft&#039;s.

&quot;Windows 7 still hasn’t even added Virtual Desktop’s&quot;

Because ALT-TAB and the taskbar can do the job well on _one_ desktop. 

&quot;Did you even know that Microsoft borrowed the TCP code from BSD? So what about that?&quot;

&quot;Borrowed&quot;? You can quite legally _take_ want you want from BSD-licensed code. BSD code is free to use in whatever way you wish as long as the copyright notices remain. There&#039;s no legal or moral requirement to share improvements or changes, or even release the source again..

So Microsoft LEGALLY took stable, mature, well-tested and standard code and built a networking stack out of it. What exactly is the problem with that? Apart from the fact it&#039;s Microsoft that did it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And did you know that KDE4 was in development way before Windows 7 was. Even if it was, KDE developers had no access to what Windows 7 was planning.&#8221;</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t need to look at Windows 7; KDE4 ripped off VISTA. Which was released in 2006, after public beta and RC releases, and many leaked interface screenshots. KDE4 was released in January 2008.</p>
<p>&#8220;Microsoft tries and patent everything it gets it’s hands on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Compare and contrast to FOSS heroes IBM, whose championing of Linux (to help them sell very expensive consulting services) gets them a free pass, while their patent portfolio DWARFS Microsoft&#8217;s.</p>
<p>&#8220;Windows 7 still hasn’t even added Virtual Desktop’s&#8221;</p>
<p>Because ALT-TAB and the taskbar can do the job well on _one_ desktop. </p>
<p>&#8220;Did you even know that Microsoft borrowed the TCP code from BSD? So what about that?&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Borrowed&#8221;? You can quite legally _take_ want you want from BSD-licensed code. BSD code is free to use in whatever way you wish as long as the copyright notices remain. There&#8217;s no legal or moral requirement to share improvements or changes, or even release the source again..</p>
<p>So Microsoft LEGALLY took stable, mature, well-tested and standard code and built a networking stack out of it. What exactly is the problem with that? Apart from the fact it&#8217;s Microsoft that did it?</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2009/11/03/reality-check/#comment-3807</link>
		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Zeke you fail on pretty much all of your points. let me debunk one of them.
&gt; Did you even know that Microsoft borrowed the TCP code from BSD? So what about that?
Are you retarded? GPL-brainwashed? BSD license allows the source code to be closed. Authors of the code acknowledges that and they are more than happy if their code is helpful to and used by someone. That&#039;s the whole point of BSD. If the original authors did not want it, they should have made it GPL. That&#039;s the reality check for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Zeke you fail on pretty much all of your points. let me debunk one of them.<br />
&gt; Did you even know that Microsoft borrowed the TCP code from BSD? So what about that?<br />
Are you retarded? GPL-brainwashed? BSD license allows the source code to be closed. Authors of the code acknowledges that and they are more than happy if their code is helpful to and used by someone. That&#8217;s the whole point of BSD. If the original authors did not want it, they should have made it GPL. That&#8217;s the reality check for you.</p>
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