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		<title>By: Tux Sux</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7196</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux Sux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, the chainsaw brought to mind a car analogy, which I think also works. While most people are are interested in using cars to get from point A to point B (and optionally provide comfort while doing so), yuppie hipster Volkswagen owners are more concerned about expressing their individuality by slathering their cars in &quot;Go Green!&quot; and &quot;Jerry Garcia Lives!&quot; bumper stickers and then remarking to others how assertive and cool the bumper stickers make them. Meanwhile they&#039;ll cast scornful looks toward the &quot;Jesus mobiles&quot; who are doing the same thing they are but with a slightly different evangelical subject (i.e. different distro or BSD).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, the chainsaw brought to mind a car analogy, which I think also works. While most people are are interested in using cars to get from point A to point B (and optionally provide comfort while doing so), yuppie hipster Volkswagen owners are more concerned about expressing their individuality by slathering their cars in &#8220;Go Green!&#8221; and &#8220;Jerry Garcia Lives!&#8221; bumper stickers and then remarking to others how assertive and cool the bumper stickers make them. Meanwhile they&#8217;ll cast scornful looks toward the &#8220;Jesus mobiles&#8221; who are doing the same thing they are but with a slightly different evangelical subject (i.e. different distro or BSD).</p>
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		<title>By: Delano</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7193</link>
		<dc:creator>Delano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tux Sux

That&#039;s pretty accurate, yeah. The Linux crowd has an alarming fetish for irrelevancy. The rest of the computing world is interested in what their computers and software can do. Can you imagine if a bunch of typical Windows users got into a debate about which updates they applied? Or if that&#039;s too abstract for some of our slower readers, imagine if a lumberjack went on and on about the special customized handle and decals on his chainsaw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tux Sux</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty accurate, yeah. The Linux crowd has an alarming fetish for irrelevancy. The rest of the computing world is interested in what their computers and software can do. Can you imagine if a bunch of typical Windows users got into a debate about which updates they applied? Or if that&#8217;s too abstract for some of our slower readers, imagine if a lumberjack went on and on about the special customized handle and decals on his chainsaw.</p>
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		<title>By: Tux Sux</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7190</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux Sux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why are Linux users so obsessed with numbers?&lt;/i&gt;

And it&#039;s not just number of users. The fourth sentence on Debian&#039;s website talks about the number of packages they support. Linux users are notorious for uptime talk. Meanwhile Windows and Mac users generally have no clue how long their system has been up, not that it&#039;d be a genuine figure since most of them with large uptimes will hibernate their systems when not in use. And if it&#039;s not uptimes it&#039;s kernel versions. Think the average Mac user knows what his patch level is or is even aware that they exist other than part of the update blob that bounces in their dock every few weeks?

To be fair, you kinda have to know your kernel version in Linux land, at least these days, though prior to 2.6 it was like MacOS where you could say, &quot;I run 2.4&quot; and people would know what you were talking about. Now it&#039;s, &quot;I run 2.6.33.4-git4-am-patch-4-ubuntu9&quot; only to be met with, &quot;You&#039;re &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; running that? 2.6.33.4-git4-am-patch-4-ubuntu9 is &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; mid-April 2010! Get with the times!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why are Linux users so obsessed with numbers?</i></p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not just number of users. The fourth sentence on Debian&#8217;s website talks about the number of packages they support. Linux users are notorious for uptime talk. Meanwhile Windows and Mac users generally have no clue how long their system has been up, not that it&#8217;d be a genuine figure since most of them with large uptimes will hibernate their systems when not in use. And if it&#8217;s not uptimes it&#8217;s kernel versions. Think the average Mac user knows what his patch level is or is even aware that they exist other than part of the update blob that bounces in their dock every few weeks?</p>
<p>To be fair, you kinda have to know your kernel version in Linux land, at least these days, though prior to 2.6 it was like MacOS where you could say, &#8220;I run 2.4&#8243; and people would know what you were talking about. Now it&#8217;s, &#8220;I run 2.6.33.4-git4-am-patch-4-ubuntu9&#8243; only to be met with, &#8220;You&#8217;re <i>still</i> running that? 2.6.33.4-git4-am-patch-4-ubuntu9 is <i>so</i> mid-April 2010! Get with the times!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Delano</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7186</link>
		<dc:creator>Delano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are Linux users so obsessed with numbers? Why is it so important to them that Linux reaches a critical mass with its user base? If Linux is truly such an awesome OS, it wouldn&#039;t matter how many people are using it, right?

Linux reaching (x) amount of users will not make it a better OS. If numbers were what made an OS great, then Windows would indeed be the best OS on Earth. But no, that&#039;s unthinkable to the Linux crowd.

Of course, Linux *would* reach critical mass if it truly were such a great OS. And of course, the Linux crowd are arse-about-face; joining groups, writing positive reviews and handing out endless CDs won&#039;t make Linux a great OS. It will only be great once its fan- and developer-base stop assuming it already is. And only then will the numbers follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are Linux users so obsessed with numbers? Why is it so important to them that Linux reaches a critical mass with its user base? If Linux is truly such an awesome OS, it wouldn&#8217;t matter how many people are using it, right?</p>
<p>Linux reaching (x) amount of users will not make it a better OS. If numbers were what made an OS great, then Windows would indeed be the best OS on Earth. But no, that&#8217;s unthinkable to the Linux crowd.</p>
<p>Of course, Linux *would* reach critical mass if it truly were such a great OS. And of course, the Linux crowd are arse-about-face; joining groups, writing positive reviews and handing out endless CDs won&#8217;t make Linux a great OS. It will only be great once its fan- and developer-base stop assuming it already is. And only then will the numbers follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Tux Sux</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7183</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux Sux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do like how WordPress converts a double hyphen to an en dash, auto-links URLs, and pretties up apostrophes and quotation marks. It even makes three periods into an ellipsis. Blogger is a total joke by comparison. Its functionality is akin to late 90s MivaScript message boards. One Blogger site I visit breaks fantastically when someone forgets to close a bold or italic tag in the comments. Short of administrator intervention, the only thing that fixes it is paging. Besides with amateur-created content management systems, when&#039;s the last time anyone had to deal with this sort of thing? 2001?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like how WordPress converts a double hyphen to an en dash, auto-links URLs, and pretties up apostrophes and quotation marks. It even makes three periods into an ellipsis. Blogger is a total joke by comparison. Its functionality is akin to late 90s MivaScript message boards. One Blogger site I visit breaks fantastically when someone forgets to close a bold or italic tag in the comments. Short of administrator intervention, the only thing that fixes it is paging. Besides with amateur-created content management systems, when&#8217;s the last time anyone had to deal with this sort of thing? 2001?</p>
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		<title>By: Kerberos</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7181</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerberos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be uneaten.  I think I&#039;m going to get rid of wordpress soon ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should be uneaten.  I think I&#8217;m going to get rid of wordpress soon &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tux Sux</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7179</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux Sux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My latest post seems to have been eaten.</description>
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		<title>By: jerkface</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7177</link>
		<dc:creator>jerkface</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah that chart is bullshit, there was no explosive growth from 1998 to 2001.  

OS Share in 1997:
Windows 95/98 69.4%, Windows NT Workstation 9.2%, Windows 3.x (with DOS) 7.7%, Mac OS 4.6%, Linux 2.4%, DOS (IBM, Digital Research, Microsoft) 2.3%, Unix 1.0%, OS/2 Warp 0.8%, other 2.7%
http://pctimeline.info/windows/win1997.htm

Germany has always had a higher than average Linux base but even they are down in past few years. 
http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-DE-monthly-200807-201004

From what I have read Linux desktop share peaked in 1998 and has fallen by about half since then. 

As for Lunduke he is not only trying to herd cats but also take them fox hunting. It will be funny to see his Linux sucks video next year when he has lost even more patience with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah that chart is bullshit, there was no explosive growth from 1998 to 2001.  </p>
<p>OS Share in 1997:<br />
Windows 95/98 69.4%, Windows NT Workstation 9.2%, Windows 3.x (with DOS) 7.7%, Mac OS 4.6%, Linux 2.4%, DOS (IBM, Digital Research, Microsoft) 2.3%, Unix 1.0%, OS/2 Warp 0.8%, other 2.7%<br />
<a href="http://pctimeline.info/windows/win1997.htm" rel="nofollow">http://pctimeline.info/windows/win1997.htm</a></p>
<p>Germany has always had a higher than average Linux base but even they are down in past few years.<br />
<a href="http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-DE-monthly-200807-201004" rel="nofollow">http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-DE-monthly-200807-201004</a></p>
<p>From what I have read Linux desktop share peaked in 1998 and has fallen by about half since then. </p>
<p>As for Lunduke he is not only trying to herd cats but also take them fox hunting. It will be funny to see his Linux sucks video next year when he has lost even more patience with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tux Sux</title>
		<link>http://piestar.net/2010/04/27/the-leopard-print-couch-company/#comment-7175</link>
		<dc:creator>Tux Sux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey Gladstone:

Thanks for expounding. The worst part about all of it is that every information gathering method uses the same faulty self-selected surveying. The German magazine is the strongest, though 260 responses is hardly statistically significant and would only tell the Linux base within the particular readership of that magazine. Furthermore, if the question was really posed as &quot;Who uses Linux at home?&quot; the data is further diluted since you&#039;ll get people with tinker boxes and router firmware. Do owners of Linux WRT routers really qualify as &quot;Linux users&quot;? It&#039;s like counting people who use ATMs as OS/2 users.

Finally, after sleeping on it, I recall registering at some counter site way back in the 90s. This is probably it. Am I still counted? I haven&#039;t used Linux as a desktop system in years. What happens to people like me? The (hard to find) FAQ doesn&#039;t really say:

http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#person4

&lt;i&gt;Rules have been defined what should be done with registrations which have not been verified for a certain amount of time.&lt;/i&gt;

What does that mean? Are they deleted or not? What&#039;s the aging breakdown of the entire data set? What&#039;s the confidence? Where&#039;s any documentation whatsoever on the survey aggregation? This is quite important for a site that deals solely with data gathering! Instead we get useless graphs on CPUs, kernel versions, and uptime. Who the hell cares?

http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#person1

&lt;i&gt;The Great Deletion  of November 2001 removed 90.000 entries.&lt;/i&gt;

Yet early 2002 saw asymptotic growth. What&#039;s this about? Given the above info, it looks suspiciously like a compensation factor, as if the user base were artificially inflated to demonstrate growth.

http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#common1

&lt;i&gt;We are an HTML purists.&lt;/i&gt;

Yet the site uses HTML 4 Transitional, which is a compromise between &quot;pure&quot; HTML and Netscape-corrupted style elements, of which they take advantage by using tables for layout and the body tag for style. HTML purists indeed! More like, &quot;We learned Netscape style web design in 1995, never bothered to keep up, and defend our stance by pretending our way is correct.&quot;

This may seem inconsequential to some, but it fits in with the rest of the faulty assumptions the site makes. If they were really purists, they&#039;d either upgrade the site to XHTML Strict and banish all style elements from the HTML files or drop back to ITEF HTML 2, which totally lacks styling with the exception of bold and italics*, which were later deprecated in favor of the realistically equivalent but more structure oriented strong and emphasis tags.

* I guess horizontal rule and preformatted text count as styling, though they&#039;re pretty borderline compared to using tables to layout text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey Gladstone:</p>
<p>Thanks for expounding. The worst part about all of it is that every information gathering method uses the same faulty self-selected surveying. The German magazine is the strongest, though 260 responses is hardly statistically significant and would only tell the Linux base within the particular readership of that magazine. Furthermore, if the question was really posed as &#8220;Who uses Linux at home?&#8221; the data is further diluted since you&#8217;ll get people with tinker boxes and router firmware. Do owners of Linux WRT routers really qualify as &#8220;Linux users&#8221;? It&#8217;s like counting people who use ATMs as OS/2 users.</p>
<p>Finally, after sleeping on it, I recall registering at some counter site way back in the 90s. This is probably it. Am I still counted? I haven&#8217;t used Linux as a desktop system in years. What happens to people like me? The (hard to find) FAQ doesn&#8217;t really say:</p>
<p><a href="http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#person4" rel="nofollow">http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#person4</a></p>
<p><i>Rules have been defined what should be done with registrations which have not been verified for a certain amount of time.</i></p>
<p>What does that mean? Are they deleted or not? What&#8217;s the aging breakdown of the entire data set? What&#8217;s the confidence? Where&#8217;s any documentation whatsoever on the survey aggregation? This is quite important for a site that deals solely with data gathering! Instead we get useless graphs on CPUs, kernel versions, and uptime. Who the hell cares?</p>
<p><a href="http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#person1" rel="nofollow">http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#person1</a></p>
<p><i>The Great Deletion  of November 2001 removed 90.000 entries.</i></p>
<p>Yet early 2002 saw asymptotic growth. What&#8217;s this about? Given the above info, it looks suspiciously like a compensation factor, as if the user base were artificially inflated to demonstrate growth.</p>
<p><a href="http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#common1" rel="nofollow">http://counter.li.org/help/faq.php#common1</a></p>
<p><i>We are an HTML purists.</i></p>
<p>Yet the site uses HTML 4 Transitional, which is a compromise between &#8220;pure&#8221; HTML and Netscape-corrupted style elements, of which they take advantage by using tables for layout and the body tag for style. HTML purists indeed! More like, &#8220;We learned Netscape style web design in 1995, never bothered to keep up, and defend our stance by pretending our way is correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>This may seem inconsequential to some, but it fits in with the rest of the faulty assumptions the site makes. If they were really purists, they&#8217;d either upgrade the site to XHTML Strict and banish all style elements from the HTML files or drop back to ITEF HTML 2, which totally lacks styling with the exception of bold and italics*, which were later deprecated in favor of the realistically equivalent but more structure oriented strong and emphasis tags.</p>
<p>* I guess horizontal rule and preformatted text count as styling, though they&#8217;re pretty borderline compared to using tables to layout text.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisTX</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisTX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;Leopard Print Couch Bed&quot;
http://www.officialdoghouse.com/site/1540231/product/U-131

lol&#039;d.

Funny thing is, that couch is probably as comfortable to a humas as using ubuntu is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Leopard Print Couch Bed&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.officialdoghouse.com/site/1540231/product/U-131" rel="nofollow">http://www.officialdoghouse.com/site/1540231/product/U-131</a></p>
<p>lol&#8217;d.</p>
<p>Funny thing is, that couch is probably as comfortable to a humas as using ubuntu is.</p>
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