05.14
First they had proprietary drivers, bioses and hardware, then proprietary browser plugins (Flash etc) and now celebrations that Steam looks like it might, maybe, possibly, sometime in the future be available on Linux. Add on the fact that you constantly get calls for Photoshop to be made available for Linux and it leaves me wondering what the point in even running Linux is?
You get the Linux zealots ranting about freedom constantly but if your freedom is becoming a more and more narrow slice out of a stack then, really, why bother? If you put down more money in a weekend on Steam than the cost of a Windows license then all the claims of ‘freedom’ (both kinds) simply evaporate.
Also once you remove the ‘ethical’ and ‘freedom’ arguments from the table that form the main thrust of the pro-Linux argument it leaves virtually no compelling reasons to actually use it. An unstable system with constant breakages and regressions in it’s aim to stay ‘free’, yet running proprietary, locked down, drm infested apps. The worst of both worlds!
On a side note Steam for Mac is out now and if you register (or even sign in) you’ll get a free copy of Portal (and I think it applies to Windows users too), which is exactly the sort of game the FOSS crowd should be making (innovative, polished, clever) rather than knocking out Quake 3 clones repeatedly. I guess being able to work full time on something rather than occasional unpaid evenings and weekends does produce better results. Who’d a thunk it?
Edit, lol:
I’m in the middle of an argument at LHB. Some guy wants to buy Sony Vegas at “deeply discounted” prices, but $40 for the new version is apparently too much for him. The excuse is the typical “I’m just a college student,” but if money’s so tight that you can’t afford a high leverage $40 investment in your professional future, it really is time to get a job and not waste another second lounging around on the Internet.
Hypocritical for me to say so? No, and those thinking this don’t get it. I’ve already paid my dues and have scrounged enough of a living where my reward is to post on blogs if I am so inclined. If you wanted to pay me $40 to stop doing it I’d tell you to keep your money; however, if things were so tight that I wondered where my next $40 would come from, you’d bet your ass I’d disappear from the Internet. In fact, I’d probably cancel my Internet connection because that’s more than $40 monthly right there. It’d motivate me to get off my ass, and, if I really needed it, there are friends, relatives, libraries, and net cafes to bum 30 minutes of net time from.
Given all this, I am thoroughly unconvinced when I hear explanations like “I can’t afford software because I’m in college so I use Linux.” Substituting Linux tinker time with even a minimum wage job yields far higher value. Put it this way: earn $50 in seven hours of work or spend months of weekends struggling with Linux? Even if you need multiple pieces of paid software, working weekends on U.S. minimum wage yields over $450 monthly.
Aren’t all the games on Steam DRMed? Wouldn’t this go against the whole “see? You don’t have to deal with DRM lockin on Linux!” mantra?
Yea, I was the one who made the first reply to him. Vegas Platinum is $85 bucks, and that’s that’s the version that serious non-professionals use. That’s still cheap as shit, and it’s certainly cheaper than an Academic Version of Visual Studio Pro.
Using Linux because you’re a “poor” college student is a poor excuse because:
1. Windows comes with pretty much all OEM PCs
2. There are few F/OSS Applications available for Linux, yet unavailable for Windows
3. The Software Portfolio on Windows (Quality Software) is excessively larger than Linux, for those who can afford it.
Or they can just use Linux and keep complaining about the price of software that cost under $100, but give you $250-300+ worth of features?
Nevermind a lot of engineering schools have MSDNAA access, and MS offers Dreamspark, making cost a non-issue.
I hope Steam does come on Linux, so the companies will see that these poor broke asses can’t afford to buy any games and instead will stick to pirating them.
I really do hope Valve makes an effort to bring Steam to Linux so that after 2 years and tired of continual breakage, sub par drivers and broke ass users they will retire it, it will be a bigger image hit for Linux that anything so far.
If anything can kill Linux on the desktop forever, then it has to be companies actually trying to give it a chance and failing miserably at it (which they will, ofc, considering huge support costs, a gigantic matrix of libraries with different versions and various distros).
Steam failing on Linux will be the last nail on its coffin, and I don’t see way it can succeed technically a financially.
Remember Loki games? That turned out wonderfully! The grateful Linux cheapskates happily shelled-out cash to support them…not.
Despite anything you say linux will still get steam and people will use it. It will make linux the dominant operating system in the gaming market. I can’t wait to see you hatetards bashing your heads against the wall until you die.
The fact that Steam is being heralded by the Linux crowd as a major breakthrough is evidence enough that even they, at some subconscious level, realize that FOSS is not adequate. They’re welcoming it instead of saying, “Steam? No thanks, man. Tux Racer solves all my gaming needs!”
As for the Quake 3 clones… well… I kinda like ‘em. I played Nexuiz and enjoyed it. But, yes. It’s hardly innovative, and it simply isn’t as good as Quake 3; a 10-year old proprietary game. It’s also pretty telling that these Quake 3 clones all use modifications of proprietary engines; Nexuiz uses a heavily modified Quake 1 engine, Warsow uses a modified Quake 2 engine and OpenArena uses a modified Quake 3 engine. Cube/Assaultcube and Cube 2 are the only open source FPS engines developed independently, and they’re nowhere near as popular on Linux as the three games I mentioned above, which is pretty telling.
“Despite anything you say linux will still get steam and people will use it. It will make linux the dominant operating system in the gaming market. I can’t wait to see you hatetards bashing your heads against the wall until you die.”
You’re right. All those game developers will rewrite their games from D3D to OGL for Linux’s “gamer market,” when 99.999% of those people have a version of Windows to run the games on, anyways.
Cool. Story. Bro.
I’m sure we’ll be screaming “the sky is falling…”
Let me guess, in 5 years?
@Adam King: what happened to “We don’t play games”?
@Adam King: So do you use Open Source because you love freedom, or because you hate Microsoft?
Also, Adam King’s browser string:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729)
When Steam was announced for Macs, freetards claim: “We don’t need that crap”
Now that Phoroenix (and only them) are claiming that it will come to Linux they’re saying “With Steam, now Linux is Mainstream”
Shit, I’m tempted to trademark that! WithSteamLinuxIsNowMainstream(TM)
To love freedom is to hate the evil monopolistic entity M$. I refuse to be another drone in their conquest of the world.
There goes adam queef queefing again. Do we really need to feed him?
You haven’t email me back piestar.
Someone disagrees with you and gets labeled a troll. The hipocracy is great slavetards.
Hmmm, you’re trying way too hard, dude.
Maybe if we go back to ignoring him, he’ll go back to going away.
I will continue advocating freedom from illegal monopolies till the day I die.
To love freedom is to hate the evil monopolistic entity M$. I refuse to be another drone in their conquest of the world.
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Welcome to the club?
I will continue advocating freedom from illegal monopolies till the day I die.
Way to go buddy. You should probably get rid of your computer (laptop) if you want to be free. Follow your father’s footstep http://richard.stallman.usesthis.com. Go get a Lemote Yeelong.
Also, stop using google’s search engine. Start your own search engine, gather up some freetards to contribute. Stop watching Hollywood movies. Dont let anyone take your fingerprint not even the government. Dont vote.
And, what is up with this:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Talk about hypocrisy.
@Adam Queen: And don’t watch those nice videos any more from Youtube.
You remember that stuff called Flash. I guess do. You shouldn’t use it. It is not free as in freedom.
Using someone else’s contaminated computer when your own is out of reach does not make you a hipocrit. Of course you hatetards never consider such a possibility.
Using someone else’s contaminated computer when your own is out of reach does not make you a hipocrit. Of course you hatetards never consider such a possibility.
I don’t want to get my hands dirty committing genocide, so I’ll just ask someone else to do it for me.
Makes perfect sense.
It’s what I love about freetards: it’s ok to avoid non-free software, unless it’s something they need
This is fun. Can we have a running commentary detailing which browser string Adam is using at any particular time?
(Can Adam learn how to spell “hypocrisy?” Obviously, there’s no chance he’ll ever begin to understand what it means. Maybe he’s joined Dr Roy Schestowitz and taken the hipocritic oath.)
One is inexorably reminded of St Augustine: “Lord, make me perfect, but not yet.” Presumably Adam is simply waiting for Ubuntu Harebrained Hippo to be released.
To love freedom is to hate the evil monopolistic entity M$. I refuse to be another drone in their conquest of the world.
But it’s okay to use Steam, a walled garden protected by DRM that more or less locks you into their network in order to play games?
Adam King has nothing left. The Linux community has slowly pulled the carpet from under his feet.
Steam is garbage. I don’t understand why people masturbate over an ugly ass glorified download manager that likes to consume a shitton of memory.
I have my complaints about Steam, but in what decade is 80MB a shitton of memory?
I really don’t get all the hype over Steam coming to OSX (and maybe later to Linux). Shops already sell OSX versions of games and what difference is yet another shop going to make (and D2D already did OSX games)? Not to mention that the average Mac doesn’t have the specs to run modern games unless you spend thousands, and I’m betting the average user has a Macbook with integrated graphics anyway.
So the only place I can see Steam making a difference is as a publisher and advertiser for small indie teams wanting to port their low to mid spec games to OSX. But a lot of releases that fit this category on Steam are already quick (but not bad) ports or cross releases from the 360. So there’s no reason to believe that the developers will want to put in time making yet another release of the same game.
So in my opinion all the hype only amounts to some Valve games finally being ported to OSX up to five years later. Wow. And the freetards think this means that Call of Duty 7 will be released on Linux and Linux will go mainstream simply because both Linux and OSX are “unix”.
I do like that I only have to buy a game once on Steam and I get both the Windows and OSX version. Usually boxed dual platform versions cost 50-100% more than just the Windows version.
I love Dropbox, but near the top of the request list is lower memory usage. It does seem a bit high hanging around 43 MB–and I have only a few tens of megabytes of files in my personal account–but their response is that the overhead is necessary for the complex caching necessary to synchronize over the Internet and other simultaneously connected machines. Makes sense to me. But people really do bitch about those 40-some megabytes. I mean I’d be appalled, too, were it 1997, but easily obtainable 1 GB+ personal computers are about ten years old at this point. Also, I recently spec’ed some SDRAM and it’s surprisingly cheap and available despite being obsolete for a decade, so $50 or so will round out that dumpsterstation. Come to think of it, I can’t remember the last time I wondered whether I’d have enough RAM to run a program. Once upon a time that was actually a primary concern.
Also, the fan favorite bastion of efficiency, uTorrent, tends to use 20-30 MB RAM, and that’s easily 3x less complicated than serving production quality video games over an Internet connection.
The steam Client uses more than 80MB RAM. Perhaps you’re discounting the amount of data that the system moved to the system cache?
gnome-terminal uses about 85MB RAM (PowerShell uses less than half that), so I’m guessing Linux/UNIX users are used to that kind of stuff.
Maybe if you play something like Quack that RAM doesn’t matter, but it matters a lot when you’re boxing 3-5 toons in an MMORPG game like WoW, EQ2, or Lineage II.
Those game clients use like 350MB for each instance.
Lots of people still use (and game) on 32-Bit machines/OSes. I don’t know what alternate universe you live in. There’s a reason why many people still use Windows XP. They’re still using the same computers they had 5+ years ago. Windows users are more likely to upgrade their OS via a new PC purchase than Linux users, who are actually more prone to install their OS on an old machine, anyways…
Quake, too.
Sorry
350MB * 5 is still only 1750MB. If you built a PC to multibox and only put in <=4GB of RAM then you'd have to be a bit stupid. RAM is pennies compared to GPU, CPU, ISP and MMO subscriptions. The last home PC I had with less than 2GB of RAM was probably 5+ years ago. I know I'm not average but multiboxers are even rarer.
Long gone are the days of emptying the task manager before gaming. The only thing I ever close is Firefox because it has a tendency to get itself up to 2-3GB, but the worst part is the CPU spikes it sometimes creates.
In fact I'd say Firefox and Youtube (i.e. embedded videos steadily becoming higher res) have driven my RAM upgrades the last couple of years more so than games. Most games have been much more GPU dependent these last couple of years.
Steam is garbage. I don’t understand why people masturbate over an ugly ass glorified download manager that likes to consume a shitton of memory.
Maybe because it also has a huge community behind it, friend and clan management, automatic updater, voice chat system, your account follows you wherever you go on whatever computer you use it, etc.
It makes buying, updating and matchmaking easy. It’s sort of like the FOSS repositories, except it doesn’t cause dependency hell.
Even “deal of the day” $399 laptops have been coming with 3 GB RAM the last 6-12 months, and the models normal consumers have access to tend to start at 4. The last time 2x the resources of the operating system on which they focus their venom. It’d be like lobbying McDonald’s over their ketchup being non-Kosher while ignoring the meat processing methods.
WTF happened to my post? It randomly condensed two paragraphs into one nonsensical block.
REPOST
Even “deal of the day” $399 laptops have been coming with 3 GB RAM the last 6-12 months, and the models normal consumers have access to tend to start at 4. The last time 2x the resources of the operating system on which they focus their venom. It’d be like lobbying McDonald’s over their ketchup being non-Kosher while ignoring the meat processing methods.
[It was the "less than" and "greater than" symbols. Stupid software. If it's not smart enough to figure it out, it should at least warn me that I'm about to eat my post.]
Even “deal of the day” $399 laptops have been coming with 3 GB RAM the last 6-12 months, and the models normal consumers have access to tend to start at 4. The last time <2 GB was widely offered was Vista’s early days, which was three years ago.
What *are* those Firefox CPU spikes, anyway? They’re rhythmic, too. It seems to get worse the more Flash videos watched. Closing all Flash using tabs helps, but the browser is still slower than when freshly launched and the problem just comes back next Flash encountered. Some people seem to think it’s Firefox’s session saving I/O locking, but I can guarantee that’s not it because I shut it off as a diagnostic measure.
For all the pontificating over Microsoft’s so-called “inefficient” operating system, the reality is Firefox requires at least 1GB RAM on top of everything else plus a 2006 or later processor just to run satisfactorily. Advocates’ remarks that people “don’t need” fast computers because they “just web browse” don’t jive with the reality that their proposed solution uses over >2x the resources of the operating system on which they focus their venom. It’d be like lobbying McDonald’s over their ketchup being non-Kosher while ignoring the meat processing methods.
It isn’t so much that Linux advocates are out of touch with the realities of mainstream computing. It’s that they’re actively trying to redefine what users need and what should be the prototypical computing experience. They’ve convinced themselves that having less functionality, less peripheral support, a smaller library of inferior software and constant breakage is a great thing. The fact that Linux share hasn’t gone above 3% is at least a reassurance that the rest of the world ain’t buying it.
They believe that people want their desktop machines to do the same, or less, than the average phone does these days. Hell, when you factor in GPS, the ability to make calls, easily send text messages, and be controlled via touch screens, most phones do MORE than what the Linux advocates claim people want to do with their computers.
Lusers argument: More programs by default, more software, more window manager, more desktop manager, more variations (distro) and finally it is “open sauce”.
It is obvious that Lusers care more about quantity instead of quality. It amuses me when they make comparison between Photoshop and Gimp (though it is not a fair comparison, but they still want to try. It should be more of Paint vs Gimp). QuantityIsMoreImportantThanQuality(tm). Also:
Grandma: hey son, can you kindly setup my computer?
Luser: sure. I will install DistroX
Grandma: what is that, i want the one i am used to
Luser: don’t worry grandma, you will love this.
Grandma: Is this one good?
Luser: Yes mam
Grandma: Why dont you install the one i had before, what is so good about this one?
Luser: The one you had before is not good because it is from (M$ or Apple) but this one is ‘open sauce’
Grandma: what is wrong with MS or Apple? And what do you mean by ‘open source’?
Luser: Ma, ‘open sauce’ is great, you have freedom, you can recompile your kernel, you can fix problems by urself if u find any bug. You have a terminal where you can type esoteric command to make you feel smart.
Grandma: what, what. Kernel? what is that? Terminal? what do i do with that?
Luser: You can create file, use Vim text editor from the terminal, list directory contents, you can get to know your Operating system from the terminal.
Grandma: what happened to the beautiful user interface i had in (Mac or Windows) and what is up with the extremely large buttons.
Luser: Grandma, it is Gnome.
Grandma: WTF is Gnome now?
….. And it goes on and on and on …
350MB * 5 is still only 1750MB. If you built a PC to multibox and only put in <=4GB of RAM then you'd have to be a bit stupid. RAM is pennies compared to GPU, CPU, ISP and MMO subscriptions. The last home PC I had with less than 2GB of RAM was probably 5+ years ago. I know I'm not average but multiboxers are even rarer.
Perhaps you can tell me why putting > 4GB RAM in a computer with a 32-Bit OS is such a great idea, then?
To add to the above: Two years ago OEMs were still shipping 32-Bit Vista with compuers that had 64-Bit processors in them. I know, because I bought a PC with a 64 Bit processor and it came with Vista Home Premium 32-Bit on it.
OEMs didn’t really get good with shipping 64-Bit OSes wiht 64-Bit computers until relatively recently.
Again, sorry:
The last home PC I had with less than 2GB of RAM was probably 5+ years ago. I know I’m not average but multiboxers are even rarer.
The last time YOU had a home PC with less than 2GB RAM. Indeed.
I know for a fact that up to at least 2005 HP was still shipping Pavilions that could only have max 2GB PC3200 RAM, with AGP Slots on the motherboard.
In 2007 they were still shipping high GHz P4 (HyperThreading) Pavilions that could take no more than 4GB RAM (2x2GB). Those P4s were 32-Bit, so there’s absolutely no reason for them to be able to take more than 4GB, nor would they have a 64-Bit OS on them.
My Roomate bought a Pavilion right before Vista Release (Vista Premium Certified), and it has 2 RAM Slots and a 3GHz PIV HT in it.
I’ve seen Similar Dell Machines, among others.
You people are living in some far off world, where you think people upgrade their entire systems for almost no reason whatsoever.
The fact that someone may have a lot of RAM in their system doesn’t give developers a right to write sloppy, bloated software (like the example I gave, 85+MB gnome-terminal).
Steam Client is about as attractive to me as the bloated GameSpy crap that they used to push back in the day.
It’s not about Steam, it’s not about games, it’s not about good software. Linux fans are a legion of “metoos” and they’re willing to sacrifice FOSS principles just so they can say that they’ve caught up to a program everybody else has been running for years.
It was the same thing with Chrome. Despite the fact that Linux has ample browsers, they just *had* to get a Linux build out. It wasn’t that Chromium was mature or necessary. It was just so they could say “me, too!”.
What *are* those Firefox CPU spikes, anyway? They’re rhythmic, too. It seems to get worse the more Flash videos watched. Closing all Flash using tabs helps, but the browser is still slower than when freshly launched and the problem just comes back next Flash encountered. Some people seem to think it’s Firefox’s session saving I/O locking, but I can guarantee that’s not it because I shut it off as a diagnostic measure.
I believe that it may be garbage collection.
Perhaps it’s M$ trying to sabotage firefox. Internet exploder is just that bad. It would be just like them to install a secret virus to cause all free software to run slower on windows than linux.
Multi-quote time:
They’ve convinced themselves that having less functionality, less peripheral support, a smaller library of inferior software and constant breakage is a great thing.
That’s because they saw it work for Apple and tried to co-opt it, but what they don’t realize is that, while Apple supports a limited market segment, it does so very well. Linux wants to support everybody with nothing.
most phones do MORE than what the Linux advocates claim people want to do with their computers.
Don’t forget installing applications, something some advocates claim never happens with normal users.
I know for a fact that up to at least 2005 HP was still shipping Pavilions that could only have max 2GB PC3200 RAM
It was actually worse with laptops, which saw the 2 GB limitation into 2007, until DDR3 started wiping that slate clean. However, laptops were shipping with the maximum, which, I believe, is pretty much the first time in OEM PC history that has happened.
In 2007 they were still shipping high GHz P4 (HyperThreading) Pavilions that could take no more than 4GB RAM (2×2GB).
I thought that only the Pentium D survived that long, but it looks like you’re right. In any event, while a D may have been justifiable, buying a single core Pentium 4 in 2007 would have been silly unless it was on clearance. I’m sure it happened, just like people buying dead-end G5 Macs around the same time, but it’s not a great comparison point.
You people are living in some far off world, where you think people upgrade their entire systems for almost no reason whatsoever.
And I claim you’re stretching to find inefficient buying situations. Buying single core Pentium 4s in 2007 just wasn’t normal. That they existed shows little other than overbuying OEMs had backstock to blow. People who wouldn’t buy into the premium priced Core2 still had the option of the “Pentium Dual Core”. I have such a laptop from precisely this timeframe. It was $400-$500 and totally kicks the shit out of single core P4s.
I believe that it may be garbage collection.
That’s the natural conclusion, but the band of Firefox mercenaries says that was fixed already. I admit its better, but all that’s happened is it now takes 2 days instead of 2 hours for Firefox to creep into the memory eating atmosphere. It’s an improvement, but we can do better, especially with other competitive browsers around like IE8, Safari, and Chrome.
Perhaps it’s M$ trying to sabotage firefox. Internet exploder is just that bad. It would be just like them to install a secret virus to cause all free software to run slower on windows than linux.
So why does Chrome run so much faster than firefox?
“to cause all free software to run slower on windows than linux”
You’re just not trying any more, Adam.
http://www.tuxradar.com/content/benchmarked-firefox-javascript-linux-and-windows-and-its-not-pretty
Are you going to claim that TuxRadar are ebil M$ $hill$?
Oh snap! Those numbers would really sting if it weren’t for the fact that Queefer is running IE8 on XP (NT5.1) with .NET 2.0, 3.0 and 3.5 installed.
And I claim you’re stretching to find inefficient buying situations. Buying single core Pentium 4s in 2007 just wasn’t normal. That they existed shows little other than overbuying OEMs had backstock to blow. People who wouldn’t buy into the premium priced Core2 still had the option of the “Pentium Dual Core”. I have such a laptop from precisely this timeframe. It was $400-$500 and totally kicks the shit out of single core P4s.
I have a $1700 Viao notebook that is much better than the crappy notebook you’re talking about, and it cannot outperform the P4 in gaming. All the P4 needed was a $79 graphics card upgrade, and it cost half the price.
Please do not overstate. That dual core processor in that laptop you’re talking about isn’t THAT much better than those late-model P4s. A laptop at that price point probably has Intel Integrated Graphics, making it useless for anything but general productivity and non-graphics development tasks.
If I was talking about a Celeron, you’d have a point.
Please do not overstate. That dual core processor in that laptop you’re talking about isn’t THAT much better than those late-model P4s. A laptop at that price point probably has Intel Integrated Graphics, making it useless for anything but general productivity and non-graphics development tasks.
Depends on the game. Modern games and engines gain a huge advantage from multi-threaded processing. The Source engine comes to mind, so does the Crytek engine.
[I think my last post got eaten by the spam filter due to a link to Peggle Extreme on Steam.]
I think you’re all a bit mad for talking about gaming and laptops in the same sentence. It’s only really in the last couple of years that it’s become possible to do for cheap, and that’s more to do with the progress of PC game graphics slowing down (though everyone has been switching to much higher resolutions, on their desktops at least).
I don’t think people buy laptops and expect them to run anything more than WoW, The Sims, Source games turned down a bit, etc. Though I wonder how well something that’s meant to be a casual game like Peggle Extreme with Steam (it’s free) would run on my netbook that only has 1GB of RAM.
Basically, if we include laptops (and netbooks) I’ll concede every point about the average user’s available RAM. But I don’t think it really counts against Steam because it’s not Valve’s target audience.
A laptop at that price point probably has Intel Integrated Graphics, making it useless for anything but general productivity and non-graphics development tasks.
Moving the goalposts, aren’t we? My case was that single core P4 purchases were uncommon in 2007 and now we’re suddenly onto games and CAD? Even so, if you were interested in such things, you’d choose a single core P4 over a Core2 Duo?
I’d choose a single core P4 over a Core2 Duo if the price of the system was $300 less, yes.
Money talks, and the Core2 doesn’t make normal office tasks any faster.
Moving the goal post? Please read my original reply. The only one who moved the goal posts and fillibustered what I wrote was you.
the Core2 doesn’t make normal office tasks any faster.
Yeah, but, you were just talking about about games and “graphics development”…
the Core2 doesn’t make normal office tasks any faster.
I disagree since it allows different programs to be performing independent tasks simultaneously. This means listening to an mp3 on one core won’t slow down word on another, or a batch image processor can process two files at once.
Researchers at the Christian Science Institute at New York (CSI:New York) have recently unearthed conclusive proof that social and sexual deviants are direct descendants of Satan. “For thousands of years the behavior of gays, Jews, blacks, and other deviants has been attributed to genetics or called normal. CSI:NY has found a gene for deviant behavior which has the number 666 on it. ” Jim Jones, chief minister at CSI said when asked to comment. “Such a gene could only be created by Satan raping a human woman in ancient times.”
Researchers say that this gene causes blacks and hispanics to be predisposed towards criminal behavior but courts should not take that to mean that they do not understand the illegality of their behavior. “When a satanic individual commits a crime they not only understand but celebrate the degree of evil they are commiting” says David Smith, chief legal counsel for the national office of CSI. “Courts should increase the severity of sentences to try and prevent future crime but I doubt it will have any effect.”
This gene could have a massive impact on the financial industry. Researchers are projecting that when Jews are cured of their satanic behavior the financial industry will be the epitome of honesty and fairness. Jim Jones says “the greed and evil that dominates the behavior of the Jew is not his falt. It is the falt of his father Satan. To that end Christians should pity the Jew, not hate him.”
When asked why god didn’t just kill the initial deviant, Jones responded that God would never kill a rape victim. Instead, Jones said that the human race is tasked with reversing the effects of this gene and ridding the human race of Satan’s influence. “When that happens, Jesus will come down from heaven again and bring us all with him because we’ve saved our infected brothers and sisters. CSI is already working on a pill to rid people of this evil gene and bring them back to Jesus H Christ our lord.”
Haha, so Adam King was EugenicsGuy on the Linux Hater’s Blog all along.
Too bad Adam King has nothing left. Cut and paste trolling gets no play.
I am the real Adam King. This retard is an imposter. Don’t pay attenntion to the racest. I am in favor of freedom.
No, I’m the real Adam King.
No, I’m the real Spartacus… Ermm… Adam King.
“Jesus H. Christ?”
That was an awful lot of verbiage for a reverse troll. Even I don’t have that much spare time.
Occam’s razor becomes more and more useful, the longer the internet goes on.
Dr Loser becomes more and more stupid the longer the internet goes on along with his buttbuddy TM Repo man.
Dr Loser becomes more and more stupid the longer the internet goes on along with his buttbuddy TM Repo man.
Good one Queefer, did you write that in IE8 all by yourself?
Good one Queefer, did you write that in IE8 all by yourself?
That really made me LOL
Notice how quickly the discussion devolves into an insult-a-thon as soon as the FOSS/Linux zealots show up.
It’s the hatetards that always start insulting people. When you know your opponent is right, attack him instead of his idea. It worked for Hitler after all.
“It’s the hatetards that always start insulting people. When you know your opponent is right, attack him instead of his idea. It worked for Hitler after all.”
“Dr Loser becomes more and more stupid the longer the internet goes on along with his buttbuddy TM Repo man.”
Hmmmm……
“How to Win Any Argument On the Internet”: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/how-win-any.php
The 4th point: “AT SOME POINT IN TIME, CLAIM THE OTHER PERSON IS A NAZI. Every, and I repeat EVERY Internet argument should involve at least one comparison to either Hitler or the Nazis. This is one of the most basic requirements of an average Internet debate, and although ignorant outsiders may find it silly to compare a person arguing on the Internet with an individual responsible for the execution of millions, this action represents one of the most traditional pillars of every online debate…”
It’s the hatetards that always start insulting people. When you know your opponent is right, attack him instead of his idea. It worked for Hitler after all.
You just described yourself and your fellow Lusers. Kudos.
It’s the hatetards that always start insulting people. When you know your opponent is right, attack him instead of his idea. It worked for Hitler after all.
Says the guy who takes every opportunity to use the term “winbred”. Way to ignore your own hypocrisy when it’s convenient. You’re the last person to be arguing facts these days, Adam. That’s because you have NOTHING LEFT.
Godwin’ed.
You’re the last person to be arguing facts these days, Adam.
Please, Queefer has never argued facts,
I know this is the entirely wrong forum, but i’ll try it anyways: I kinda need some help. my macbook got ruined, (… actually ubuntu took down my entire harddisk, when i specifically ordered it to make a seperate partition, and then my logicboard went *poof*) and i’ve stored all my photos on my ipod Nano (2nd gen.) problem is that the only pictures i can get *off* the ipod, is thumbnails which looks really really ugly when scaled up. soo, does anyone have any ideas as to how i’m getting my photos back? (.. some of them were to be used for a portifolio i’m currently making)
Obviously you told Ubuntu to reformat your hard drive. Don’t use anymore computers.
haha.. No no no … I put in the live disc, speficically clicked the “make a partition”-button and *poof* there goes everything.
Obviously you told Ubuntu to reformat your hard drive. Don’t use anymore computers.
So even if he had actually told Ubuntu to reformat his/her hard drive does that mean he should not use computers anymore? I guess that was very helpful to him.
It actually sounds like Ubuntu nuked the partition table. As for the photos problem, see this thread:
http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=105856
@naem
Ubuntu fucked your partition table, get ready to have some fun with fdisk hehe…
I do not envy you man, I’ve seen a fix but it was for freebsd, i’ll see if i can find something to help fix your problem.
Try to use a mac os x dvd first, and fix the partition table with Disk Utility.
If not… Here’s the bsd one: wiki DOT freebsd DOT org SLASH AppleMacbook#head-cf4c8d645d2a6e0a195eafcf76009008927d2d29
It’s for freebsd but it should be similar to linux.
Yes. Anybody who would reformat their hard drive without thinking should be prohibited from using a computer ever again.
Yes. Anybody who would reformat their hard drive without thinking should be prohibited from using a computer ever again.
But…but…I thought LinuxForGrandmas(TM)! What happens if grandma is presented with the question “create partition?” when she pops in the live CD? Going to spin around and call her an idiot too?
Regardless of Steam being closed source and the games having DRM, when (if) Steam is released for Linux the market share will probably go up a bit. Tons of people use Windows only for the gaming capabilities, but Valve is converting their games to OpenGL, which if set up properly can be just as powerful, or even more powerful, than DirectX.
Yeah, because valve games are the only games everyone is playing.
I’m really surprised you guys didn’t work out a long time ago that Adam King was just trolling for lulz.
@the queefer… i never wanted to reformat the computer.
For the rest: Through some major messing around, i were capable of getting my photos back.
– And a few of ‘em is probably being sold in the next few days. (… pretty much why i needed them back btw.)
Help! There’s a naked girl in front of me and I have no idea what to do!
Help! There’s a naked girl in front of me and I have no idea what to do!
Tell her she should never go near a computer again because she created a partition using a LiveCD.
Tons of people use Windows only for the gaming capabilities,
This is such bullshit. Tons of people own 360′s and PS3′s for gaming capabilities. The majority of the people running PCs are not doing so to play games. In fact, the PC gaming market is dropping due to consoles, yet Windows marketshare remains dominant. How is this possible? Oh right, people have “work” to do on their PC’s as well, apparently!
I’m really surprised you guys didn’t work out a long time ago that Adam King was just trolling for lulz.
This was obvious from the beginning, hence the rapid adoption of the name “Queefer”. On the Linux Hater Blog, where Adam Originated, we encourage feeding the trolls. It accelerates their progression towards their inevitable death spiral where they go from “Adam King” to “Queefer” and simply troll with reckless abandon.
Why does this happen? Simple really. Trolls like Queefer have NOTHING LEFT!
I use Windows because it doesn’t suck. Honestly, can you say fail:
http://linuxcrunch.com/content/sneak-preview-coming-kde-sc-45
More screen-shots than you can shake a palsied mouse at, plus comments like “There is a lot of under-hood changes in libs which as enduser we cannot see” and (my favourite, although it’s actually text from a screen-shot) “The audio playback device ALSA Default Output does not work.”
This is so far below “fail” that it’s positively subterranean.
TM Repository, IfItWerentForGamesIWouldDitch
Windows™
http://www.tmrepository.com/trademarks/ifitwerentforgamesiwouldditchwindows/
D
Its even better that the following things was falling back to ” .” Amusing that they couldn’t even say falling back to dummy or something.
@Joe Hallenbeck said: 2010.05.27 10:36
I raged, then I caught my breath, then I raged some more. Those people are such fucking ‘tards. When anyone posts constructive criticism on there, half a dozen Freetard fanatics jump down their throat.
Thanks for sharing the fail. I think.
See what happens when people try Linux: http://squirrel.pl/blog/2010/05/25/driver-hell-ati-radeon-and-ubuntu/
So, not only does Ubuntu have a history of destroying hard drives, it will now also blow up your graphics card, nice!
I do have a PS3, so computer gaming isn’t such a big deal for me. I’m just saying, I have heard a lot of Linux users, and Mac users, say that they keep Windows just for games.
I do have a PS3, so computer gaming isn’t such a big deal for me.
So I guess if you don’t need it, nobody does? The term for that is “sour grapes”.
I’m just saying, I have heard a lot of Linux users, and Mac users, say that they keep Windows just for games.
Even if Steam came to Linux, that doesn’t automatically mean all the games that run on Windows come with it.
The majority of Linux users also use another OS; BSD, Windows or Mac. Despite their claims otherwise, they keep them not just because for games but because they are better all-around operating systems.
Working in an office environment and having to troubleshoot PCs, I can tell you straight that Linux in the workplace is seriously lacking. Suggesting OpenOffice in an office environment is as laughable as suggesting a bicycle for interstate travel. There isn’t even a decent accounting program (don’t make me laugh; GNUCash is a joke). Linux simply lacks the tools and compatibility to make computer testing and benchmarking practical. Add that to over-reliance on Wine, dodgy hardware support and network issues and you have a recipe for failure.
I think it’s just a poor excuse so they can keep their Windows partition, blame DirectX for being an evil monopolistic technology, and feel good about it. That’s how their minds work.
But many Linux users also keep Windows for other things. One of them is the Adobe Suite. And TM Repository, did I ever say that?
And don’t tell me “Oh Thomas, Adobe software isn’t free as in freedom!” I would gladly take Photoshop over GIMP any day. The freetards worship free software and the god of their cult, Richard Stallman.
So please, recognize the difference between “Linux user” and “freetard”.
If you can pay Photoshop, I’m sure you can afford a decent operating system.
I can. I use Linux by choice.
Although, there are other way to get PS besides paying for it *cough*.
I can. I use Linux by choice.
And I can choose eat expired tuna. Just because you made a decision doesn’t mean it was a good decision. Naturally, you’re too proud to admit it wasn’t that great a choice and now you’re playing the sour grapes game.
Although, there are other way to get PS besides paying for it *cough*.
By stealing it, you mean? Sure, and I can get myself a PS3 by robbing your house, right?
But many Linux users also keep Windows for other things. One of them is the Adobe Suite. And TM Repository, did I ever say that?
And your point is?
Quoting Thomas B. on 2010.05.26 at 10:44:
“Tons of people use Windows only for the gaming capabilities, but Valve is converting their games to OpenGL, which if set up properly can be just as powerful, or even more powerful, than DirectX.”
I like how Thomas B forgets what he said a page earlier.
Doesn’t it all come back to my point that it’s ultimately just a bunch of Valve games being ported to OSX 5+ years later (and after every console)? Big deal. And as I saw elsewhere, why is this any different from when Id or Epic did it, except this isn’t even to Linux itself but to another “unix” platform?
It’s always history repeating with Linux. The only difference is when you give up on it.
Okay, as if I’m going to go get the full statistics on people who use Windows for specific things…
The number of people that only keep Windows around for one thing is very low. The idea that a casual Linux gamer would sink money into hardware that only runs games properly on Windows seems highly unlikely.
Especially when that very same Windows installation can access all the same stuff their busted-ass Linux installation can, as well as a whole lot more…like STEAM!
I was a Linux user for 7 years, and in that time I pushed Linux onto many different people, some gamers and others not, some more experienced in computer usage than others. Today, not a single one of them has switched, or even dual-boots with Linux. The longest-lasting installation was from a non-gamer friend who ran it solid for 7 months. When I asked him why he returned to Windows, he told me Windows works better, and he got tired of fixing and tweaking Linux.
It’s also important to note that the distros I pushed ranged from Mandrake (‘fore it was called Mandriva), Fedora, Ubuntu/Mint, Debian, DSL, Puppy, Gentoo and OpenSuSE.
Linux; 2,000 degrees of shit is still shit.
Hmmmm. I presume you guys have never even tried linux. At least try it before you dis it. Oh and by the way, for all of you who like linux and are slaves of apple and microsoft, get wine. It allows you to install steam on linux.
*aren’t* slaves of microsoft and apple
“Hmmmm. I presume you guys have never even tried linux. At least try it before you dis it. Oh and by the way, for all of you who like linux and are slaves of apple and microsoft, get wine. It allows you to install steam on linux.”
The author and most of the commenters here used linux in the past, and we do know what we’re talking about. Wine is lousy coop-out since it’s better to run windows than wine since it has problems that users don’t have enough patients for it to be fix.
I’m thinking about mocking up a steam-like interface and then putting it on a blog that a lot of people read and then telling them that Valve is making a client for Linux.
OSHI- somebody already beat me to it.
But in all seriousness, imagine the lulz that would result!