06.22
I wanted to do a constructive bit on the fundamental ethos of the anti-Linux community, but then I remembered about Lunduke’s blog, ‘Linux: The Source of All Desktop Innovation’ and had pretty much no choice but to address it.
It’s hard to know where to start though to be honest considering the awesome quantity of delusion involved. I think in the mind of a Linux advocate everything revolves around Linux. They believe that Microsoft and Apple are furiously battling them – there is a war on! However the reality is that Microsoft, and especially Apple, probably barely even pay attention to what Linux is up to. The fact that is obvious to everyone – that desktop Linux is irrelevant to everyone but desktop Linux fans – proves the stupidity of this. How can you lead when you have no followers? How can you be winning a race when you are not even on the same track?
Here’s the money quote:
“Almost every ounce of real innovation happening in the world of Desktop Operating Systems… is happening on Linux. Microsoft and Apple have completely dropped the ball and ceased to innovate in any real way in this area.”
That’s right, he actually said that. It’s a question of faith I suppose. True FOSS advocates have faith in the idea that Free Software has a ‘superior development model’ so to them it must be better. And if it’s not then it’s just a minor glitch that will be fixed soon. Never mind that 99% of the new UI ‘innovations’ in FOSS can be traced back to a closed source competitor, never mind that large swathes of the FOSS software ecosystem is clones or built on closed source software later opened, or even that all the ‘innovation’ he claims for Linux is actually stolen from Unix and then claimed as FOSS’s invention. It all matters not as ideologically it should be better, so it is better.
Here’s the reality:
“Free Software is a dictatorship where the people in charge do not have to answer to the users as, unlike commercial, the more people that use it the harder it is for them.”
It’s not a happy-go-lucky commune, it’ a dictatorship where whoever is in charge sets the rules and if you don’t like it you are free to spend the rest of your life maintaining a fork (or just buy commercial). It’s not a community effort. It’s not a democracy.
Unity is an utter disgrace. Introducing the global menu in 2011 has to be one of the stupidest moves in UI development I have ever seen – and auto-hiding it doubly so. When just about every large-scale application outside the pro arena is now eliminating it Ubuntu is making it a permanent part of the UI. The only reason for putting it at the screen edge is apparently due to ‘Fitt’s Law’, an advantage that is entirely nullified by the fact that it auto-hides. Fitt’s Law also does not apply so well in situations where people either have trackpads or large monitors, but when does that ever happen? Anyway it’s all about the touch – or would be if the window close button isn’t now on the left making it impossible to use without constantly closing what you are doing accidentally.
The left hand dock, as with the global menu and the window decoration change is a nice idea in theory but one that just doesn’t work in practice. You can only trigger it by going to the top left as triggering by any point on the left causes it to pop up unnecessarily, however the bottom of the screen has no such problem. I get it is to save vertical space on the corner-case netbooks. UI concepts in the hands of FOSS developers is like a dog with a chew toy – they won’t let go no matter how mangled things get.
I think Lunduke is simply confusing action for motion. There is a constant churn of new ideas (generally rehashes of old, bad ideas) which gives the impression of progress. Sure a great UI may come out of it in a few years time (if you have faith) but right now they are just slinging crap around with the hope that some sticks. The difference is the closed source world does this in private – with competent people. Throwing alpha-grade software out as final release isn’t any innovation I want any part of. Take the time, do it properly, release something decent. Or is it not innovative unless you inflict every bad idea you’ve had on the world.
But the source of all desktop innovation? I’ve yet to see anyone point to a single fundamentally decent idea to come out of the FOSS labs at all. Churn, yes. Crap, yes. Decent (original) new ideas. No. Seriously Bryan, put down the pom pom’s – your team isn’t even able to make it on to the field.
I don’t think anyone has really been “innovating” on the desktop lately. All the interfaces have remained relatively the same for the past 10 years, except different colors and stuff. GNOME 3 is really the only unique thing I’ve seen recently, but I wouldn’t call it an innovation.
Also, it’s nice to see your first real blog post in nearly a year.
I find 7 (and probably Vista–I forget which features were introduced when) quite innovative. Dropping to XP is an annoyance, and using W2K, which I once considered Microsoft’s best, is downright painful.
Mac OS was doing okay, too, until Apple basically gave up on it in favor of iOS.
“Also, it’s nice to see your first real blog post in nearly a year.”
Suck his cock already.
Actual innovations:
Microsoft:
The new task bar in windows 7.
The new way to maximize applications in 7.
The ribbon.
The WP7 interface.
The place where IE9 puts tabs (terrible, but innovative)
Apple:
iOS (first one)
The app store (innovation =/= invention)
A ton of stuff in Xcode 4
Time machine
The way autosave is handled in Lion (a totally new use for time machine)
Linux:
Gnome 3 (crap, but innovative)
Not innovation:
Window 7 + WP7 (good + good = tacked on crap that makes little sense)
Snow Leopard + iOS (good + good = more of the same)
Rotating Desktop Cubes (I had a desktop that worked like a first person shooter back in the windows 98 days)
The place where IE9 puts tabs (terrible, but innovative)
Isn’t that a rip off of Firefox which is a rip off of Google’s Chrome which is a terrible idea?
Rotating Desktop Cubes (I had a desktop that worked like a first person shooter back in the windows 98 days)
I’d agree on the implementation but the idea of having multiple desktops is a grand idea. In Windows there’s Dexpot and that was something that I searched for because of my (positive) experience in Ubuntu way back when, one of the few anyway.
IE 9′s tab placement is even worse in that it drastically truncates the address bar. At least Chrome and Firefox keep ‘em separate.
Time machine
Oh, please, no. Not again…
The only difference I can tell between Backup Wizard in Windows and Time Machine in OSX is the advertising. If the whole Apple marketing dept. drops dead tomorrow, they will just end up being the same damned thing that no one’s bothered enough to look at.
The same thing goes for a bajillion other supposed “innovations” from Apple, and their whatever equivalents floating around in the market since the 90s.
I wanted to do a constructive bit on the fundamental ethos of the anti-Linux community
Have you witnessed the flame wars on LHB in the last three months?
What about the rumors on the internets (well, LHB) that rabid freetards were on your tail and that’s the reason you closed the shop last year?
GNU/Linux is the most advanced desktop OS. Thanks the to the Kernel’s scheduling and virtual memory algorithms programs run faster on GNU/Linux than any other OS especially that BSD shit.
“The only difference I can tell between Backup Wizard in Windows and Time Machine in OSX is the advertising”
Nope, it’s the presentation. The features are essentially the same but it’s presented in a much better way in time machine. Innovation =/= Invention.
“I’d agree on the implementation but the idea of having multiple desktops is a grand idea.”
But it’s not a Linux idea, the Amiga had it, and good old father Unix had it. They didn’t innovate anything, it’s the exact same thing as it was in unix.
But it’s not a Linux idea, the Amiga had it, and good old father Unix had it. They didn’t innovate anything, it’s the exact same thing as it was in unix.
Yeah, but it’s GNU is Not Unix, dude. Come on it’s in the name!
The GNU Project was launched in 1984 to develop the GNU operating system, a complete Unix-like operating system which is free software—software which respects your freedom.
Unix-like operating systems are built from a software collection of applications, libraries, and developer tools—plus a program to allocate resources and talk to the hardware, known as a kernel.
GNU is often used with a kernel called Linux, and here is a list of ready-to-install GNU/Linux distributions which are entirely free software. The Hurd, GNU’s kernel, is actively developed, but is still some way from being ready for daily use.
The combination of GNU and Linux is the GNU/Linux operating system, now used by millions and sometimes incorrectly called simply “Linux”.
Where’s “Stallman-pasta” when you need it?
Why’s it not Gnome/Linux? Arguably the GNU toolchain is fairly easily replaceable if anyone could be bothered. At this point I would think that the DE provides more code that is actually used than the GNU project. Unless you are one of those GCC weenies, in which case everything compiled with it should be GNU/Thing, which is blatantly stupid.
Gnome is part of GNU.
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/LInux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
“Gnome is part of GNU.”
So what about KDE/Linux? At what point does something deserve the prefix?
Also, everyone understands the GNU manifesto and the purpose of the GPL. The thing is we simple don’t care. We’ll use whatever does the job best and no amount of whining will make people use proven inferior software due to some dubious cause.
It’s the OS equivalent of being a vegan. You do it for the cause, not because it’s better. Just admit this instead of confusing the two issues.
Arguably the GNU toolchain is fairly easily replaceable if anyone could be bothered
Not even “arguably”. I can’t be bothered to look them up, but there was some minor Wiki edit war on one of the Busybox based projects. Some tard came in and did a Ctrl+H Linux -> GNU/Linux and thankfully this was a few years ago because there were still people that had enough sense to revert it. Busybox based projects contain basically no GNU code at all, not even Glibc–they use uClibc.
Also, GNOME has been a GNU project in name only since the early 2000s. Stallman lost interest soon after the project got off the ground. Same with HURD. Since the late-90s, Debian has done most of the work on it. Stallman’s case is basically that since he was fairly active in the mid-to-late 80s that he should be perpetually branded on everything his software peripherally touches, even if it was in the distant past.
Their major innovation is a compendium of lessons on how not to create a desktop operating system.
Taking these clowns seriously is giving them a credit they don’t deserve.
kde is just a de. GNU is a complete environment on a kernel. When kde builds a complete environment it can distribute kde/linux.
Which parts of GNU does KDE require to operate? If booting in runlevel 5, which parts of GNU are accessed?
http://pedrocr.net/text/how-much-gnu-in-gnu-linux
Find a good GDB replacement and GNU is gone. Even GCC will get replaced by the superior clang eventually.
“good GDB replacement” is the oxymoron of the day. Hardly surprising GNU is being marginalized; beyond GCC it’s been nearly motionless for 20 years.
““good GDB replacement” is the oxymoron of the day”
Hahahaha true. I still need to have the “good” in there since just having a GDB replacement won’t do much if it’s even worse than GDB.
I wouldn’t be surprised if GCC has been evolving for the same reason the Kernel has. Companies need it.
GCC actually exemplifies the ideals of Free Software. It won’t die and is fixable, unlike the multitude of [semi-]retired UNIX compilers. However, given that, like kernels, compilers are among the most difficult software to create, it’s worthwhile in these instances to commit to the learning curve of redevelopment rather than starting from scratch. Beyond “infrastructure” stuff, absorbing the learning curve rarely makes sense.
GDB is the most advanced debugger out there. Show me another debugger with as many options and as much flexibility.
DTrace.
“DTrace.”
Adam King = Anal Raped.
Even the visual studio 2010 debugger is better than GDB.
Visual Studio? Seriously? That thing takes five years to load and another ten to do anything useful.
Try upgrading the Pentium II. At least get more than 64 MB in it.
“Visual Studio? Seriously? That thing takes five years to load and another ten to do anything useful.”
You mean you actually have USED VIsual Studio 2010? that means that you must be running…
gasp…
WINDOWS!
my heart….. (he flops over)
Winbreds
Dtrace also runs on Linux, Adam should try it, maybe he’ll finally get his Hello.c to compile.
Yes, but it’s totally evil, being CDDL and all. Just executing the binary would “taint” GPL code.
Or something stupid like that. It’s why it’s available as a loadable kernel module, and not surprisingly it’s missing a load of functionality in the interest of developer laziness/license purity, but even in half working state, it’s at least two decades ahead of gdb.
You still not upgraded from that Pentium Overdrive Durdenstation you got from the skip around the back of PC World yet Adam?
Microsoft and Apple have completely dropped the ball and ceased to innovate in any real way in this area
It’s uncanny that I was musing about this today. Where is Linux desktop’s Start Screen paradigm? Even Apple doesn’t have that one.
Throwing alpha-grade software out as final release isn’t any innovation I want any part of.
Isn’t this what FOSS and the anti-Microsoft folks were complaining about back in the day? That Microsoft released unfinished software that sucked? I’m even willing to agree that there have been plenty of half-baked Microsoft products released this way over the years, but to complain about it and then turn around and do it yourself is pretty retarded.
XP and Vista were released unfinished in one way or another. Vista had performance problems, XP was a security nightmare. The difference is that they eventually fix the problems, without breaking compatibility, and the support lasts for many, many years.
By contrast, The FOSS crowd will just tell you to wait 6 months for the newest version, which will break all your apps and require recompiling everything and will be as broken as the one before. You can’t even stay with the previous one for long even if It’sWorkingForYou, because support runs out in just a couple of years.
But yeah, the FOSS development model is sooo superior.
“The only difference I can tell between Backup Wizard in Windows and Time Machine in OSX is the advertising”
And the fact it comes with every Mac. While on Windows, if your computer came with Home Premium pre-installed (aka 90% of midrange computers), no Backup Wizard for you. You ll have to “upgrade”.
This is why people love Macs and happily pay the apple tax. Everything you need for a decent average user experience is already there. A back up manager, and audio editor, a video editor (no, movie maker doesn’t count as a video editor) and an image editor, and a battery that can actually hold more than 2,5 hours*.There are no hidden costs.
On Windows, if you put together the cost of “upgrading” to business (can you keep the media center if you do that btw?), the cost of a video editor (no decent freebies here), and the cost of a battery that can actually hold a charge for more than 3 hours, you easily have the cost of a Macbook (not Pro). But without OS X’s superb boot time.
*Windows actually has better power managment that OS X, but it doesn’t help if OEMs ship tiny capacity batteries. That applies to “signature” models too. They have the same lame batteries the rest have
My macbook pro’s battery is already totally messed up (oh how badbly i’ve treated this little guy), and yet I still get 8h out of this thing with wifi on, adium on, safari opened, listening to music and programming on netbeans (which is a shitty java app that eats up the processor while doing jack shit).
It having that + EXCELLENT trackpad + ok graphics card + dvd drive + good size/weight was the reason I got it over competing laptops.
People really have trouble understanding just why people like macs so much.
“The hardware sucks!” they say. They’re really missing the point, that’s not what’s needed on a laptop. Apple knows how to make laptops.
Everything you need for a decent average user experience is already there.
Eh, has many of the same kind of gaps as Windows, really: lack of productivity software, especially document writing and holes in media support.
it doesn’t help if OEMs ship tiny capacity batteries.
It also doesn’t help that you’re probably comparing a Core2 Mac to an i5 PC. With the Sandy Bridge line, expected battery life is closer. Advantage still Mac but it’s not as overwhelming.
Not convinced about the included video software. iMovie is not free, it’s bundled with the cost. Buying a PC you pocket the money and get to spend it on the software of your choice, if you’re so inclined. There are several competitive products for $100 or less.
Agree that generally available backup software for Windows is weak. Disagree that this is a huge deal. Even with Time Machine you run into issues with user discipline, which trumps software issues. Assuming one doesn’t care too much about security, online backup is the way to go regardless of platform.
I haven’t observed anything special re OS X’s boot time. Are you sure you aren’t comparing a 7200 PRM drive to a 4200 RPM one or something?
EXCELLENT trackpad
I really can’t stand the “giant button” trackpad; the previous one was better. Multitouch support is superior over what tends to be Synaptics on PCs.
People really have trouble understanding just why people like macs so much.
I’m one of them. I don’t think they suck. I think they’re overpriced for what they offer. At the same time, they are better built than the majority of laptops. It’s a 7/10 experience for me at a 4/10 price.
@ Kamahl 2011.06.24 13:51
Apple knows how to make laptops.
Except Apple doesn’t make them. The one that actually makes the laptops is the same Chinese company that does the same contractor work for half a dozen other companies with the same equipment and largely the same components. At the end of the day, all you get is the same stock Low-V CPU, the same stock GPU, the same stock chipset, the same stock DIMM DRAM modules, the same stock battery capacity, the same reference circuitry… That you get from every other brand. Honestly, you have got to be delirious to think that you are actually getting any more out of that extra money you are paying for (and this is not even to mention that you are in fact buying from Intel’s refuse bin for every Mac you get) than you are paying nothing at all. “8 hours” out of of doing absolutely nothing? Wow, that’s news, isn’t it? (And, no – playing music doesn’t count as “something” for anything faster than a Pentium MMX.) And, hey, did you actually measure the damned thing with a stop-watch? These guys did:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2439
You see, in the pharmaceutical industry, there is this well-known phenomenon called the “placebo effect”, which causes you to “see” results that aren’t really there. But, then, Jenny the ex-Playboy bunny tells me that the pharmaceutical industry is in fact “evil”, and that vaccines cause autism or something something. So, whatever.
@ kurkosdr 2011.06.24 10:37
While on Windows, if your computer came with Home Premium pre-installed (aka 90% of midrange computers), no Backup Wizard for you. You ll have to “upgrade”.
Whatever happened to freebies.
A back up manager, and audio editor, a video editor (no, movie maker doesn’t count as a video editor) and an image editor
Like I have said before, I paid $0 for Paint .NET. It just seems to me that the concept of “more bangs for the buck” simply doesn’t exist in the IT industry – or at least the consumer spectrum of it.
Now onto the countdown of our next tech market bust – T minus 100, 99, 98…
There are no hidden costs.
Instead, everything is on the price tag, in a shameless fashion.
GNU/OSX inherents many of the power saving options that are present in GNU/Linux which is why its a better os than winders.
I don’t know your definition of a stop watch but this is how I measured it:
Started working (working means programming on netbeans in this case, school project) on the mac at around 9:30 in the morning, stopped at 12. That’s 2.30 hours. Went to lunch, came back to the mac around 1:45 hours later. So we’re at 13:45. Kept working till 18:00, that’s 4:15 more. So 6:45 hours. Caught a bus at 18:15, got home after a freaking 1:20 hour ride on a bus + 10 minutes till my house. Irrelevant since I didn’t use the mac right away. Used it later at around 9. Played some Hagane and Axelay on bsnes (a freaking resource intensive and extremely accurate emulator), and after that I watched some shit on youtube, laptop lasted till around 10:30, so 8:15.
Coconut battery says my mac has around 90% of the total capacity left, so It’s ADDICTED and yet it still performs better than any laptop I’ve seen.
Get a mac Joe Monco, seriously, don’t hate till you actually try.
Did I mention the trackpad actually works? I’ve always hated trackpads till I got my mac, the difference is just unbelievable. You’re still going at it from the “0.1 extra Mhz means it’s better” mentality. I’d agree if I was buying a desktop for gaming.
Hagane made easy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf6_QKjM-7Y
Get a mac Joe Monco, seriously, don’t hate till you actually try.
I hate this argument, and it’s used for everything, especially Linux. Merely using something isn’t enough, you must OWN it. If you’re still not convinced then it’s something you’re doing wrong. The product cannot be at fault in any circumstance.
Went to lunch, came back to the mac around 1:45 hours later.
So you left the thing on all that time unsuspended? Got it.
Get a mac Joe Monco, seriously, don’t hate till you actually try.
I don’t need to. I can get at least 4 hours out of my 6+ month old 75WA battery with 3 operating systems running at the same time plus at least one RDP session over wi-fi.
Maybe it’s just that my high-V Core 2 Duo runs on magic, but whatever.
I hate this argument, and it’s used for everything, especially Linux.
And we all heard it at one point or another, just like old wives’ tales.
This is saving that old wives’ tales never ask you to get things done with broken software.
You probably don’t believe me but I was a mac hater at one point too, actually using a friend’s macbook for more than 5 minutes made me change my opinion.
And yes it was suspended. I didn’t count the 1:45hours in the total though.
I never said there weren’t laptops with as good battery life either (the asus Ul30Vt comes to mind, I considered it at the time instead of the mac). Gave up on it after I tried the touchpad, the screen also had really poor quality. It had less processor too. Add in the lack of a DVD drive, the cheap plastic, and the worse graphics card, and it’s not so appealing. I’d have saved 250€, not worth it since I had the money at the time.
Well I’ve been using Macs since the mid-80s. I thought they were “just okay” then, and I think they’re “just okay” now. I have considerably more experience with the things than the vast majority of the fans.
Windoze is for retarded faggots who are incapable of diong anything requiring usage of their brain.
“Well I’ve been using Macs since the mid-80s. I thought they were “just okay” then, and I think they’re “just okay” now. I have considerably more experience with the things than the vast majority of the fans.”
Well, IMO, I got the only macbook that was actually worth something besides the ‘new’ macbook air. The 15″ and 17″ laptops were way too overpriced for what they offered.
The new models that came out not so long ago are crap too. An integrated intel card in the 13″ model? Less battery time? Sad.
So it’s not like I think macs are anything special. My mac is special
I would like to bash Adam Queef’s penis with a meat tenderizer. Can JoeMonco weigh in on this at all? I can’t decide what to do without help from JoeMonco.
“Windoze is for retarded faggots who are incapable of diong anything requiring usage of their brain.”
You really are an a$$hole arent you?
“Get a mac Joe Monco, seriously, don’t hate till you actually try.”
He could get a Mac and still have the same opinion. I’m still a ThinkPad fan after using a MacBook for a while. The MacBook got to hot too fast and the charger block takes up too much space on a power strip.
I like the 12″ extension cords meant to provide relief with the wall warts, kind of like a more economical version of the Power Squid thing. Back in the 70s and early 80s the wart was in the middle of two wires, like most laptop bricks, allowing convenient plug-in access. The bricks were designed this way because they were so heavy that they’d fall out if plugged into the wall. I still had this happen when they first started changing the design.
He could get a Mac and still have the same opinion.
I think the unspoken inference is that with the purchase he’d have cognitive biases leading him to justify the decision.
“The MacBook got to hot too fast and the charger block takes up too much space on a power strip.”
15/17″ macbook? Those do get very hot yes, mine rarely does, it needs to be a warm day and I need to play something like bioshock for a long period for it to get warm.
The charger block doesn’t take any space for me though. What do you mean? It’s a standard wire with a brick in the middle. At least mine is.
ThinkPads are cool though, but really, the X1 (the really cool thinkpad) costs the same as a macbook now (it was MORE EXPENSIVE) and has worse hardware in some aspects.
The MacBook got to hot too fast and the charger block takes up too much space on a power strip.
Current 13″ and 15″ with an i5 or i7 models don’t heat of much at all. The power brick is tiny compared to any other adapter that Dell, Toshiba or Sony make. Plus you should have got an extension cord with it; Like all laptops, they’re swapped so you can use different plugs for different countries, car adapters, etc.
Cult of BM Suppository
Good to see the Adam King sock puppets figured out how to make their way over here. Ready to 4chan the hell out of this place, kiddo.
[A]nd has worse hardware in some aspects.
Well, such as… ?
It has an i3 @ 2.1GHz while the macbook (same price) has an i5 @ 2.3 GHz. The X1 used to be more expensive so I’m assuming they weren’t selling as well as they hoped.
I think the new macbook was a failure by apple though. I’d rather have a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo with a better graphics card and 3 extra hours of battery (which is the macbook I have, who would have thought apple wouldn’t make me jealous of not having the latest crap they put out).
The battery on the X1 is excellent though. Charges to 80% in 30 minutes and lasts the same as my old macbook.
Well.. probably less :p, apple considers wifi being on and some light browsing at least. Others seem to say that it lasts 10 hours IF you leave your computer completely immobile only moving the mouse to keep it from sleeping.
It has an i3 @ 2.1GHz while the macbook (same price) has an i5 @ 2.3 GHz.
Many of the X1 models I have seen on Amazon have i5s instead of i3s, and they all tend to cost slightly less than an Macbook Pro.
The X1 used to be more expensive [...]
And still is, if you order it from the Lenovo website.
The average Amazon price tends to be $10-50 lower than that of 13.3″ Macbook Pro, though.
I think the new macbook was a failure by apple though. I’d rather have a 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo with a better graphics card and 3 extra hours of battery [...]
The battery on the X1 is excellent though. Charges to 80% in 30 minutes and lasts the same as my old macbook.
Like I said, every key component you get from every brand is pretty much stock-and-standard. Both Core i5 and i7 have their respective low-V lines, but whether they are used in your laptop is entirely up to the respective brand-name company to decide. I have seen some positive comments about the X1, but as far as battery life goes, my view of it is more or less skeptical.
oldman fuck you. Someone else is posting using my name.
It’s possible to get cheaper macbooks in amazon too. But still, my point is at the time I bought my mac there was really no alternative, and really, there still isn’t any (trackpad).
Wouldn’t buy the latest one though, I’d go for the Air instead.
“oldman fuck you. Someone else is posting using my name.”
Meh.
DIdn’t hear you saying its not me.
Your still an a$$hole BTW.
The Adam King who said “oldman fuck you. Someone else is posting using my name.” is an impostor. I am the real Adam King.
Disregard my comments above, I suck cocks.
The Adam King who says “The Adam King who said “oldman fuck you. Someone else is posting using my name.” is an impostor. I am the real Adam King.” is an impostor. I am the real Adam King.
The Adam King who said “The Adam King who says `The Adam King who said ‘oldman fuck you. Someone else is posting using my name.’ is an impostor. I am the real Adam King.` is an impostor. I am the real Adam King.” is an impostor. I am the real Adam King.
Wow, Adam King obviously doesn’t know how to properly use something as simple as fucking quotation marks.
My cock is throbbing for Richard Stallman.
Great writing. Almost on par with LHB’s older stuff.
Now if you’d get rid of all the Adam King shite (it really adds nothing, pure garbage) this place would be perfect. The world would be a better place without him.
Okay guys, Joe Monco just pointed this post out to me on my blog. I didn’t even know Piestar was back. All of the Adam Kings in this post are fake.
I AM THE REAL ADAM KING.
“I AM THE REAL ADAM KING.”
And you are still an a$$hole
You can either get rid of all the Adam King nonsense, or this place will quickly turn into LHB’s comments section. 1% on-topic, 49% Adam King garbage, 50% about niggers, complete nonsense and also pissing in asses. Your call.
+1 ban him.
Good to see the Adam King sock puppets figured out how … [and more Joe Mongoloid faggotry]
Looks like Joey is trying to weasel out of his lame ass reputation that he has everywhere else by splainin this as another sock puppet.
He’s an idiot here, an idiot on BM Suppository’s site, and of course an idiot on LHB. His favorite catch phrase/word to use is “ad hominem” which he practices in front of a mirror when he’s not writing his LongPHPCodez(TM).
You can either get rid of all the Adam King nonsense, or this place will quickly turn into LHB’s comments section. 1% on-topic, 49% Adam King garbage, 50% about niggers, complete nonsense and also pissing in asses. Your call.
Nigger, I pissed in ur ass!
lulz
Has JoeMonco weighed in on this at all? I can’t form an opinion without help from JoeMonco.
lol, sure.
“GNU/OSX”
I think I am going to throw up. Now there is “GNU” in OSX too? You are aware OSX is real Unix, while GNU stands for “GNU’s Not Unix”. Fucking loons…
As regards the Mac vs PC thing, well Macs don’t need to defrag bitches!
Also, for every piece of hardware that’s inside the case and for “made for mac” usb peripherals, Apple offers driver support. With PCs, the OEM offers hardware support, Microsoft offers operating system (sinkhole of) support, but nobody, i mean nobody offers driver support. So, if you have a driver related problem, you are screwed. Especially if the device is inside the laptop case like the bluetooth dongle or the wifi. And don’t get me started in the case something inside the laptop doesn’t get Windows 8 drivers in the future. Pure pain.
This is what drove me to Macs and never even thought of coming back
Yeah, yeah, you’ve whined about your USB tuner card a hundred times now, how much did that thing cost? 10 €? 20€?
And you’re telling us you’ve payed for your Vista license…
well Macs don’t need to defrag bitches!
It needs it every bit as much as a PC. Much like Windows, the OS does it for you.
the OEM offers hardware support [...] but nobody, i mean nobody offers driver support.
Yeah, it’s totally NOT the OEM who takes care of that. Does it hurt being so dumb?
This is what drove me to Macs
So basically no damn good reason, or your own stupidity. Gotcha.
dumbfounded and flabbergasted. If you need drivers, you have 3 places to get them from in most any off the shelf Windows system. First, the drivers supplied with the OEM, usually on a nice CD/DVD found in the packaging.
The second is Windows itself. I’ve hooked up a ton of peripherals and with Vista and 7 I have very seldom used the supplied driver disk. I plug it in, Windows searches, driver installs, all is happy.
Third, manufacturer of the hardware/peripheral. While HP and Windows both will supply drivers for say, my video card, the hardware maker also supplies drivers… in fact they are also the same source used by OEM and Windows.
Not sure what hardware you have? Open Start, type DEVICE MANAGER (actually in Win7 DEV is about as far as you need to go), and start examin’ your hardware.
I really don’t understand what you mean by driver support though. About the only support anyone can give you is to tell you to reinstall a driver, or install a newer version of the driver.
Sure, a driver may stop working in Windows 8, but then it may not. As for Linux (Umbooboo I’m lookin’ at you!), you ain’t gonna find driver support… you’ll be doing good to find a half assed driver. Mac? What are you going to do when Apple gets another wild hair up their ass and decideds to drop support for the hardware you are using or decides not to support your hardware in the next OS version? Boat (check), creek (check), paddle (WTF?!? no paddle?!?).
Kerberos, what happened?
My servers were destroyed, probably by freetards. I was also shot at coming out of my apartment, probably by the same freetards. Soon I was able to track them down with the help of some Microsoft soldiers.
You mean the U.S. Marshals?
Has JoeMonco weighed in on this at all? I can’t form an opinion without help from JoeMonco.
Nice shades.
> As regards the Mac vs PC thing, well Macs don’t need to defrag bitches!
Then why does Apple think otherwise? http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375?viewlocale=en_US
> Lots of garbage about hardware support.
Reading comprehension problems? It’s been explained several times to you, that Apple has much worse hardware support story, than Windows. And THAT on the preselected hardware.
> This is what drove me to Macs and never even thought of coming back
As usual, more money than sense or knowledge. And you know what, even though Apple’s motto has been “Morons of the world, unite”, they don’t hesitate to call morons as they are: “Yes, we’ve told ya that you never ever have a chance to get infected, but if you are – it’s all your fault”.
Then why does Apple think otherwise? http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375?viewlocale=en_US
You know why I absolutely love when Mac loons foam about how their favorite blings are made for editing videos and such? There are a few occasions when the optimization algorithms in the file system driver are unable to prevent fragmentations from happening, and one is that you have to constantly create large files on the drive. Since now you have different segments of the same video scattered all over the HDD, everything time you want to edit it, you will end up with the drive seeking back and forth whenever you attempt to traverse between those segments – and that means you will end up with jittering of various extents depending on how much the caching mechanisms can mask over the actual problem.
Now, of course, we are just talk about all this in terms of a mechanical HDD, and there is little doubt that Apple is indeed pushing SSD left, right and center in all ranges of their machines. Well, we all know how reliable the SSD technologies are as of now, but don’t let my (apparently bigoted) words stop you from emptying your pocket for whatever with an shiny Apple logo on it.
Can I point out that the Apple drivers for Boot Camp are utter fucking garbage? It’s 50/50 on if it’ll boot into Windows without a blue screen requiring safe mode CLI shenanigans to get the OS to start in the first place.
Why do people rant and rave and blindly defend their OS of choice, it’d be like only ever eating one type of food ever. Maybe it’s because I was never in to team sports…
Mac and Windows are horrible excuses of operating systems.
You meant to type “Linux” but somehow Oupoopoo has messed up your mind and you typed “Mac and Windows” instead.
Stop using that piece of shit before your mind is completely gone.
*nixes are horrible excuses for operating systems.
There, FTFY. You’re welcome. No, no, seriously, you do NOT need to give me a tip. However, I will give you one: plant your corn early next year.
Could someone point out why Unix is so “worshipped”?
UNIX was probably always overrated but it was a genuine step forward during its heyday of the late 60s and early 70s. Problem is a bunch of people decided “This is it. Forever.” and mentally shut down for decades. Some of the weaker willed younger generation picked this up and carried it forward. UNIX worshiping is rapidly on the decline. Kids growing up with Windows 98 and XP have no interest in it.
“Could someone point out why Unix is so “worshipped”?”
UNIX was awesome back a long ago. Some people who were fans of it then just didn’t grow out of it and didn’t want to accept that the world slightly is changing.
> and there is little doubt that Apple is indeed pushing SSD left, right and center in all ranges of their machines.
And they’ve revolutionary reinvented TRIM support in 10.7. Three years after SSD-only Macs are on the market.
SSDs are cool, but my heart is with hybrid drives – best of two worlds. Unfortunately, it should be managed by OS and is not revolutionary enough to be supported by MacOS. Revolution is coming – stay tuned
I think dual drives is where it’s at, though that may be impractical for laptops. But for desktops, yeah.
The future of laptops are 16-64 GB hard-wired SSD plus platter HDD. Intel already has plans for this. I always thought it was funny they built this into hard drive form. Back in the 90s we’d be installing this directly into the motherboard as cache chips. That’s where SSD really belongs, as some sort of “L4″ cache. Maybe one day the capacity will be there but it doesn’t really need to be. Just smarter caching and mirroring when paired with traditional HDDs, which Intel is working on for their next generation chipset.
> The future of laptops are 16-64 GB hard-wired SSD plus platter HDD. Intel already has plans for this.
What “plans” do you mean? It’s called hybrid drive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_drive). The thing anonymous mentioned on 2011.07.07 22:59
And I agree, you can have your frequently used files on SSD, while keeping hundreds of gigabytes of porn on magnetic media.
Well, it’s already happening:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/rumor-apple-soldering-macbook-air-ssd-to-motherboard-and-why-its-a-bad-idea-updated-2x/10509
Soldered-on SSD is likely going to be more cost effective than hybrid hard drives, which is why you should expect to see more of it. I think hybrid drives are a transitional part while Intel gets its chipsets and motherboard offerings worked out.
Yeah, I don’t think anybody has innovated in GUIs. Windows 7 is an utter mess: where the hell do you find that Word document? Not only that but Unity looks like a shit pile. GNOME looks better and even I think it’s mediocre. Even back in 2001 Windows XP’s default theme was terrible.
In terms of GUIs I prefer the stuff on Windows 2000 and earlier, simply because it looks a lot cleaner while still giving me that ancient look I lust for. As a Windows XP user I feel that Windows Classic is great.
Just my thoughts, people.
Eh?
Classic theme is still there in Windows 7.
And your word document is in your Word Icon’s jumplist.
Where do you find that Word document? Why, in the folder you stored it in. Otherwise you click on Start and start typing in the search box.
I have to agree that most things since the Classic desktop have been a backwards step, but then that’s mostly personal preference. I like “clean.” And although there are many good things in the “ribbon” (OK, not strictly desktop, but still), most of the applications I use seem to use it to hide quite important features (even, occasionally, search).
The Start/Search box thing is great, though. There’s one bloke at work who pretty much uses it exclusively for desktop navigation. It works far better than it has any right to work.
It’s sort of the Windows CLI of the 21st century, isn’t it?
@reactosguy
“Windows 7 is an utter mess: where the hell do you find that Word document?”
I do not understand your complaint. The classic style is available and you work with documents the same way you always have in previous windows versions, plus:
- The search box in the start menu.
- The jump lists in the task bar.
What is your complaint?
It’s sort of the Windows CLI of the 21st century, isn’t it?
There’s an important difference: lack of arguments and command sets. I know they’re supported, but like boolean terms in search engines no one really uses them. With UNIX terminal emulation you both need to know commands in advance and switches to control the behavior. Windows Desktop Search (and Spotlight) are designed to open/launch objects and have basically no faculties to manipulate the data.
No. It’s intended for search, it doesn’t have argument etc. support because it is not intended to be a full user interface.
Search + open selected item only.
If you want 21st century CLI you type-in “PowerShell” and use that.
@Adam:
You do know PS blows shitty unix CLIs straight out of the water, don’t you, eh Adam?
Didn’t think so.
@DrLoser
If, for some reason you don’t yet know about it, classic look can be had while using Aero composited desktop (previews and other goodies) by using a visual style that looks like classic – as if no styles or Aero were in use.
Lets say Classic AE 2.1 – by Saarineames
http://saarineames.deviantart.com/art/Classic-AE-2-1-215813633
Classic in 7 (and Vista) doesn’t feel right to me. At least the built-in version–never tried a 3rd party add-on. XP really nailed it, so much so that “Classic” is kind of a misnomer. Fortunately, I’m in the group who feels the stuff they did with Vista/7 are improvements. It’s tempting to say stick with XP if you like the interface, but, man, is the foundation getting cruddy.
So? Check the deviant art link and see the preview for yourself.
I did and am not impressed.
What’s wrong with it?
Do not attribute your personal problems to us, little demon spawn.
And go back to hell.
Don’t know if it’s been mentioned….
IE9′s tabs can be moved. Right-click just about anywhere toward the top of the screen and check, “Show Tabs on a Seperate Row”.
“Soldered-on SSD is likely going to be more cost effective than hybrid hard drives”
To Apple, that is.
To consumers, that simply means having to replace the _entire_ motherboard rather than just the drive when it bites the dust. *cha-ching*
To consumers, that simply means having to replace the _entire_ motherboard rather than just the drive when it bites the dust.
The integrated SSD will very likely survive the useful lifespan of the computer. If it completely fails, you still have the option of an add-on drive. No need to replace the motherboard.
Disregard everything I’ve ever said, I suck cocks.
Disregarded, thanks.
The integrated SSD will very likely survive the useful lifespan of the computer. If it completely fails
This is exactly the part I am doubting, unless, of course, by “useful lifespan” you actually mean one year.
One year IS the “useful lifespan” of a computer, at least Apple thinks so :p.
Still, If it means the laptop is:
- Faster
- Smaller
- Lighter
Then I don’t really care. If I want a better disk I’ll just get a bigger laptop.
“useful lifespan” you actually mean one year.
SSDs last one year? News to me.
SSDs last one year? News to me.
Then this guy must be the unluckiest person on the entire planet.
So some guy says off hand that he “even care if they fail every 12 months on average”, mentions nothing about test conditions, and you take that to mean he’s deduced the industry standard failure rate with his sample set of 8?
I bought a dozen Seagate platter drives from Newegg a few years ago and they all died within a month. That can only mean all mechanical drives fail in a few weeks, right?
I bought a dozen Seagate platter drives from Newegg a few years ago and they all died within a month. That can only mean all mechanical drives fail in a few weeks, right?
This “some guy” didn’t just buy a couple dozens drives from Newegg. He bought 5 different brands of SSD drives over the course of two years for both himself and his employees, and this was the result he got.
What’s more – he liked SSDs, and that means, unlike me, he clearly didn’t have an ax to grind about the technology. Also, notice at least one drive on the list survived more than 365 days, and that means, to the manufacturer, it would likely not be considered a failure. In fact, everything floating within the Internet about SSD failure rates is mostly from the manufacturers themselves, and last time I checked, a couple of manufacturers like OCZ and G.Skills didn’t even have more than 1-year warranty until recently. Furthermore, unlike retail stuff, the Samsung SSD that comes with your Mac is not directly cared for by the manufacturer and, as a result, any failure occurring one year after purchase (provided that you go with the standard warranty only) will unlikely be counted as the manufacturer’s fault. Well, I can’t stop you from believing in inhumanly test conditions (like having everything kept nice and cool at 25 degree Celsius and driven with 100% pure direct current) or some dubiously calculated statistics, but, still, if that that’s the kind of information you choose to base your purchasing decision upon, then, please, by all means, keep it to yourself.
So, you don’t see the problem extrapolating a handful of data points into an authoritative statement about expected lifetime?
So, you don’t see the problem extrapolating a handful of data points into an authoritative statement about expected lifetime?
Yes, I was oh-so extrapolating that into “an authoritative statement”. Ever heard of this thing called a “doubt”?
And I am pretty sure there is nothing to get cautious about from other people’s bad experiences even though both your money and your data are in the line.
“useful lifespan” you actually mean one year.
Sounds pretty authoritative to me. You even bothered to back it up with a link, strongly implying that the results were typical. Now that I’ve identified holes in your approach you’re retreating into this “I was merely expressing doubt” position.
Sounds pretty authoritative to me. You even bothered to back it up with a link, strongly implying that the results were typical.
If you can find one survey not directly sponsored by an SSD manufacturer, then we’ll talk.
And, on top of that, we are talking about someone’s bad experience over the course of two years and 5 different brands. Are you seriously trying to chalk this up as an unlikely occurrence with your experience over one brand in the time-frame of one day?
Maybe that guy was just in serious bad luck and got the bad batch every time.
Are you seriously trying to chalk this up as an unlikely occurrence with your experience over one brand in the time-frame of one day?
No, I’m trying to corner you on your repeated insistence that the typical lifespan for a SSD is one year based on what amounts to be a single self-selected data point.
No, I’m trying to corner you on your repeated insistence that the typical lifespan for a SSD is one year based on what amounts to be a single self-selected data point.
Until you can come up with better evidence than mine, then consider yourself out of luck.
Look no farther than the blog’s comments. Some agree, some don’t. Why does one set of anecdotal evidence trump another? Explain why this comment should be considered invalid:
Over at blekko, we’ve had 3 SSD failures after 1.5 years, out of 700 drives. These are Intel X-25M 160G2 drives.
In this case we have a longer period and more drives.
In this case we have a longer period and more drives.
I like the fact that you don’t even mind admitting the fact that you are just arguing for the sake of it. Bold, albeit stupid and nonsensical.
Back to the subject.
You mean 700 drives? In one batch? Fantastic. Maybe we should all start buy drives in batches so to amortize the probability of a drive failure. Really.
You see why manufacturer’s or batch statistics are meaningless this way? Even if one manufacturer comes out and say they have a failure rate of 0.1%, you still have no idea if they are talking about having the same problem concentrated within just one bad batch or a randomly occurring problem scattered across the broad. To a consumer, this mean even if you are buying from a supposedly “good” batch, there is still no guarantee that the drive you end up with won’t break down the first thing next morning – and for reasons so random that the manufacturer will never admit.
Seriously, you don’t even need me to feel the likelihood of one guy end up with all “bad” drives over 5 brands and 6 different models in the course of 2 years. Even if you say you can get just 5 short-lived ones out of a batch of 1000, that still doesn’t say a lot about what you will end up with as a consumer – and the birthday paradox tells you exactly just that:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem
As a wise guy once said, “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
And, seriously, 1.5 years? That’s comforting, isn’t it?
Yes it is.
Oh wait…
No, it’s not.
———————
Having a classic hard drive from mid to late 90′ still work – now that’s comforting.
You all best come back in 2025 and let me know how your SSDs worked out in the long run, y’hear.
I piss on this blog’s rotting corpse.
Pretty desperate there, JoeAnonco.
Stop attributing your problems to others, King – we do not care if your body is rotting away (your mind already has), keep such minutia to your self.
Wow Adam, you’re asking people to kill themselves now?
Have you become suicidal?
No, Adam is just seeking attention.
Mhm, well here is a hint Adam: try to be polite – it might get you somewhere, the way you’re acting up right now, will get you rejected out of any normal community.
While this doesn’t matter here (on-line), it can get you in all kinds of trouble in real life.
Speaking of community, a Google search for our Adam King turns up no results outside of linux hating blogs. It seems he was even probably rejected by the Linux community as well, he undoubtedly made an attempt to join it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the stallmanites find him a loon just like us.
Oh wait, I found something:
Originally Posted By Adam King, http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=994#comment-6487
“No, my friend, the reason that “expert Windows users are irritated by the condescending attitude Linux users have toward them” is because you lot think that (free)price always trumps quality and can’t understand why anyone would choose to pay for GOOD software rather than using FREE software.”
If this is our Adam King, which it could very possibly be, he probably changes his opinion wherever he goes, in order to try to fit in.
A very particular form of “trying to fit in”.
I guess DrLoser was right about him then.
Ohh, did we just see the puppet master behind the curtain?
It must bother you terribly – boo, hoo.
Coming from a many years of administering and deploying Microsoft solutions I won’t deny that I favor MS’s products over Linux or Apple’s offerings. I find them easy to deploy, easy to administer and easy to upgrade. Especially when you are dealing with a 2000+ userbase, the versatility and integration offered by MS’s business software and their integration with Active Directory. It make administration a breeze. Dont know about other companies but our 130+ MS server deployment is run by myself and another Admin. Heck we even cross technologies with our Voice admins and Network Admins (SIP, NAP etc). The exposure from an IT perspective is great for the CV to be honest. We also have 2 MSSQL DBA’s looking after +-40 DB’s.
On the other hand we also have a small Linux/Oracle deployment. This combo is our main in-house application or The Money Maker if you will. This deployment runs on 6 load balanced RHEL frontends and a large 5TB Oracle DB on another. This small deployment requires 4 Linux Server Admins and 6 DBA’s to operate. That does not include the outsouce skills from another company. Thats quite a bit of staff in my opinion. Before you spout IT penis-talk, I actually work with these guys and I do get to see what they do daily and they arent really busy. The other issue is cross-skills. The one can manage a backup solution while the other can shell script but there seems to be no interchangability or cross skilling there. I think this is where the “l33t” aspect of Linux comes in, in that you “specialize” in one particular aspect and that somehow makes you invaluable. I also get the vibe that they dont really care about anything outside of their sandbox which is limiting in an industry that changes daily. Oh and about cost, our ENTIRE MS deployment from hardware, Server OS, Client OS and apps and all the CAL’s is 1/10th of the Oracle/Linux annual IT budget. Trust me, when it comes to cost reductions in IT expenditure we dont even feature. I think we are just above the printing/paper/toner budget by 3%. Interesting huh.
On the consumer front I have been with DOS since 5.0 was released all the way to Windows 7. However, after getting my iPhone (GASP) I became intrigued with Apple. They are not big sellers in my country. Blackberry is the hot handheld right now with BBIM being the big selling point. However IM was not the deciding point when I purchased my iPhone. I wanted 1. Good looking, 2. Music, 3. Apps, 4. Accessories. The iPhone was the choice for me. Android had not been available on handsets. After 3 BB’s I needed a change and the iPhone was it.
To be frank the iPhone is the best phone I’ve ever had. The iPod app is great for me, the amount of apps available is awesome and the amount of things my iPhone can plug into is a feature often missed when hearing the whole iOS/Android debate.
Add onto that the fact that I now have Airplay and with many HT products now supporting it as well as a matching iPhone app is something that cant be ignored. Like Apple or not they have great vendor support which is great for consumers. That sells it to me.
I had 2 brief stints with Android and honestly they were not pleasant. The first was with the SE x10 mini my wife got on an insurance claim. While it was intriguing at first, that waned very quickly. The apps really are poor quality, yes there is crap on the Apple Store as well, but Android’s offerings are consistently crap. This left that Linux taste in my mouth. The next encounter was with the Galaxy S. My wife wanted a “better” touch screen experience and she decided on the the Galaxy S. I was quite suprised as it really did mimic my iPhone’s layout (4 by 4 icon layout with 4 statics at the bottom). She soon got tired of it as well, the free apps she downloaded would constantly either want Google login details or crash all the time or offer no repeat value. She now has an iPhone 4 and well loves it.
After my whole experience with Apple I could definitely see me giving a iMac a shot. Why not? My needs at home are not develpment, serious gaming or office productivity much like most consumers. I seperate my work from home and home is all about lifestyle which is where apple fits in. For work I choose Windows + Office and that my work gives me on a laptop. As a consumer, the usual “Freedom” + “Free Software” + “GPL/1/2/3/a/b/Banana protects you” is not a consumer selling point. People want shiny, fancy things. Linux is not an option there. It offers the consumer nothing they want and consumers dont care about Software Freedoms. They never will.
My 2 cents. Flame Away
Arguing about GNU/Linux naming is just stupid. Every component is replaceable. You can replace GNU coreutils by BSD utils, X by Wayland, GCC by LLVM, Linux by kFreeBSD, Gnome by KDE etc. Talk about FLOSS-systems or something like that, if you say Linux or GNU/Linux it is okay, too…
“True FOSS advocates have faith in the idea that Free Software has a ‘superior development model’ so to them it must be better.”
No, true FOSS advocates have an ideal that software should not have owners, and should not be scarce. You are missing the point and defaming FOSS advocates.